1952 D rpm15

dpb · Member

Don't know what to make of this. Top photo is a certified 1952D rpm15(d in bust). Bottom photo is a raw coin I recently found and it looks a heck of a lot more like a D than the top but in a different position. Mint marks both sport a split upper serif. I guess my question here is which is the real McCoy if either?

Matt Dinger · Advanced Member

i have about 60 Mint state exampiles of the bottom one.... it is
1952D-1MM-012 and i have a couple that look like that, but they apear to be strike through or something like that....out of the 60 I have about 8 of them have weird marks under the bust all in different positions....

dpb · Member

Thanks Matt. I found another rpm15 certified by anacs (don't even know what I have anymore) and it matches the top coin.

Bob P · Site Admin

The RPM # 15 I have listed on coppercoins.com is an LDS example of this variety. In this die state, there are many 'wierd' die gouges on the obverse. That might explain some of the marks you have on your coins Matt. Either way, the pics you show may not be the same coin as it looks like the mintmark position is different. Anyway, here is the link to the pics on coppercoins.com.

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1952&die_id=1952d1mm015&die_state=lds

Jack · Veteran Member

Matt
Are you interested in tradeing one of the 1952D 1MM 12? If so let me know Imay be able to find something you can use.
Jack

Matt Dinger · Advanced Member

ummm, sure let me know what you have, my e mail is warcollect@hotmail.com

eagames · Expert Member

I share the same mystery. I found some 1952-D cents while searching BU rolls with the clear D partly into the rim between the rim and bust. I saw this item on EBAY and his photo matches the ones I found exactly. That item 8341429724 is an ms66 by NGS which I never heard of but they say it is RPM-15/WRPM-016. I'm certain that photo matches the ones I found and think it is one of the best and strongest mintmark varieties (I should say misplaced not RPM?) that I ever found. I expected it should be a well known **** variety based on the clearness and distance from the primary D. The mystery is that the RPM-15 on this site is totaly different, it has a doubled primary D and the gouge marks above the lower mintmark and the mintmark is more on the bust (not between the bust and rim) and much less of a mintmark than on the ones I found or the one on EBAY. They seem to be different varieties. The only similarity is the position below the bust. My question is what RPM is it?

Bob P · Site Admin

I think you are probably seeing an optical illusion or something eagames. Please look again at ALL of the photos including the marker photos on the site for this variety. The close-up photo of the D below the bust does give the impression it is on the bust, but if you compare the location on the photo above it, you can see exactly where the extra D is. It IS between the bust and the rim, not on the bust. The lowest part of the preview pic is the rim.
Ultimately, this is RPM 015, designated as | D/D & D WEST & MISPLACED (LDS). There is no other die that has the same anomaly as this one.

eagames · Expert Member

I looked again and also see that the primary D is also a minor RPM to the west. It does not look damaged at the bottom like RPM-12. Any ideas?

Bob P · Site Admin

It is indeed an RPM on the primary mintmark of RPM 015. Hence the designation D/D and D West & Misplaced. The D/D denoted the primary mintmark's minor spread to the west. The 'and D misplaced' denoted the separate D below the bust.
RPM # 12 was punced with a damaged punch, but that has nothing to do with the one we are talking about. If you look at some of the other RPMs for 1952, there was more than one damaged punch used. It is hard to say how many mintmark punches were used for 1952D. RPM 15 was a different punch all together....OK???

eagames · Expert Member

Thanks!
I'm convinced it is RPM-15.
The primary D rpm does match the pics on the site.
I think the pics of the lower D are harder to make out. The gouge marks are gone or almost gone on the die state of the ones I found but that extra D is very clear.
Thanks for solving the mstery : )

coop · Expert Member

If the die Gouge marks are missing, it could be an earlier die state coin. Some die gouges flatten out, others remain, depending where they are located. In the field they can flatten, but next to a device (Nimber/Letter/Bust or Memorial edge) they tend to remain longer till they flatten out or get cleaned away. So you may have one after the die state that is listed or you may have one before that die state. Depends on wear on other parts of the die.