1939 Cent

Steven · Expert Member

I found a few 1939 Philly cents that have what looks like a small spur of a extra tail to the S/E of the second 9. Anyone have a photo of this they could share for comparison.
Thanks,
Steven

coop · Expert Member

Steven: Which 9, the first or last one? Here is one that looks kind of like you describe on the second 9 :
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1939&die_id=1939p1do003&die_state=mds

I you get an image please post so all can join in on the discussion.

Steven · Expert Member

It's the second 9. Not much of a tail but I've found it on 7 out of 2 rolls. must be fairly common.

coop · Expert Member

Is there evidence of machine doubling on other areas of the coin? It could be edjection doubling or it could be a doubled die depending on other areas of the coin. tough call if just this area is affected. Could be a scratch/gouge on the die. Not real sure right now.

Steven · Expert Member

Looked them over pretty good this is all I could find.

coop · Expert Member

Could be just a scratch then. True die doubling usually widens the size of the letters sometimes with splits like RPMs on the ends of letters. It may also just appear as wider letters/numbers. But when you find one like that it is usually a red flag. Sometimes split can be caused by coin damage by another coin hitting it and in circulation coin scratches happen a lot. So I wouldn't throw them back yet, till others get a chance to offer their opinion.

Steven · Expert Member

Thanks coop, I wouldn't have paid much attention to it until I found a second then a third and up to seven of them.

coop · Expert Member

Are they BU coins or circulated? If they were BU from a roll, check to see if they have the same markers on the coins. If they don't have the same markers they could be from different dies which could mean they are master die doubling.

JRocco · Veteran Member

Here ya go Steven. Is this what you are seeing?
http://forums.collectors.com/include/uploadbox/viewfile.cfm?files=1939pan9%2Ejpg

Steven · Expert Member

Yeah JRocco, that's it. Any Idea what it is.

Bob P · Site Admin

There is an actual doubled die where the tail of the second 9 is doubled. CONECA used to list it as 3-O-V. (I think they still do) Since it is so prevalent, I am not sure if it isn't master die doubling. I will discuss this anomaly with Chuck to see if we can't make a determination one way or the other on this.

Steven · Expert Member

Thanks Bob, I'll set them aside for a while and wait for a determination.

Steven