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bigslurNew Member
Posts: 7 Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:23 am |
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I have several 1955 wheats that are double die on the last 5, which I have learned is called the poor man's double die. But I also have about a half dozen that are double die on all the numbers (1955). Although they are not north or south double die. My question is this worth sending in to PCGS to get graded they are in fine to extra fine condition. Will PCGS even grade poor man double die? Please help can not seem to find an answer for these. Thanks
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:50 pm |
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You're mixing up terms...if your coins show the shadow doubling associated with die fatigue, commonly mis-termed as "poor mans double die," you do not have a doubled die at all. You have a coin exhibiting die fatigue - chipping away at the die near its edge. This is very common on Philadelphia mint issues from the 1950s. Since you don't have a "variety" there's nothing to certify. Doubled dies are compltely different animals to begin with. Die fatigue is real common and is not worth a premium value.
Furthermore, PCGS only recognizes the rarest and most obvious die varieties - even if your coins did have something on them to certify, PCGS would not be the company to do it. Only consider sending to PCGS the coins that have the Cherrypicker's Guide listed strong doubled dies, and only consider those when they are upper-end circulated or mint state grades - anything less wouldn't be worthwhile.
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pennyhoundVeteran Member
Posts: 414 Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:23 am |
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bigslur
Welcome aboard ... noticed this is your first post.
Look around and read, educate yourself ... alot of information on this site and we all contibute to it.
Much to learn here and if you have a question, about anything, feel free to post ... someone will get back to you ... even if it's not what you want to hear.
We all are into the same thing here and that is to learn and pass on what we know (or not) but we will pass on our comments.
Agian, welcome aboard.
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:34 am |
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Bigslur: Welcome aboard! I had a roll of 1955 plain Cents and went throught them and found 18 of them were the "poor man's DDO (which isn't a DDO). So they are real common as they used the dies till they died durring that time period. I've got a roll of 1954 plain cents and they are BU and BU (butt ugly) They are the worst Cents, I need to dig them out a Photo them. They are VVLDS (very, very late die state) Someone must have sorted them from a bag and put them into the tube cause they are all that way. You never know what you will find in the tubed rolls. Sometimes unsearched, sometimes someone else's rejects. Great to see you posting.
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GarryNExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:34 am |
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NGC might not be the way to go either. I handed over one of my 1908 S/S Snow 1 to them at last summer's Mid America Coin Expo and the coin came back unattributed. NGC told me over the phone that they dont attribute Snow numbers. They refunded me the $7 for not doing the attribution but I was still ticked off that I wasnt told that when I handed over the coin and I told them so.
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GabeSenior Member
Posts: 691 Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:21 pm |
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ANACS is probably your best bet. ANACS will certify any coin and attribute it with most attributing systems. You can be assured that ANACS will recognize the variety.
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:14 pm |
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| Gabe wrote: |
| ANACS is probably your best bet. ANACS will certify any coin and attribute it with most attributing systems. You can be assured that ANACS will recognize the variety. |
Except that what he is asking about is not a variety at all, and nobody recognizes it. What he is asking about is common die wear and is on a LOT of cents from that era.
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GabeSenior Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:52 pm |
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Chuck- you are right. I had forgotten that the thread was about the 'poormans double die'.
_________________ -Gabe
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bigslurNew Member
Posts: 7 Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:44 pm |
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Thanks for the help on that subject you just saved me some money since I will not be sending them in to PCGS.
Thanks again Jim
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