1940S RPM #8 per Wiles book

[rollmeupabe]

I am trying to identify and inventory my varieties. I have Wiles book on RPMs and noticed that his #8 does not match the #8 on Coppercoins. Is there a trick to cross referencing the two different numbers? I looked at the other RPMs on this site and don't see this one.

[coop]

My book doesn't have a 1940-S #8 in it. I believe the coppercoins one, 1940S-1MM-008 is a new listing not found in the RPM book. So coppercoins attribution is the current listing here. Save your coin and when they start attributing coins again, yours may be a new listing also if there is no match currently for that die..... I know, patience is a virtue.

[Bob P]

I am a little puzzled here rollmeupabe. Which Wiles book do you have that shows a 1940S RPM #008??
The 40S #008 on coppercoins is unique to us, as at the time of its listing there was no other RPM 8 for the date and mintmark. Had there been a CONECA cross reference, we would put in in there.
You will notice that we have many, many, many, many, many more RPMS listed than anyone else. Take a look ot 1960D and you will see what we mean 1955S, 1958D, 1959D and other dates are prolific with RPMs that are not listed in other places. Should you find a cross reference that we have not listed, please let me know and I will update the site. Keep in mind that the cross references listed are as a courtesy to our members. Since we have our own die numbering system, that is the one that I would prefer to use.

[coop]

I once was looking at the wrong year/mintmark one time and Chuck brought it to my attention a certain die was listed and I realized my mistake. DOOH! (_8^(|)

[rollmeupabe]

Wiles published an update to his original book in 2003. It is titled "The Lincoln Cent RPM Book: Update 1997-2002" "An Attribution and Pricing Guide" by James Wiles, Ph.D.

On page 6 he list 1940-S RPMs #7, 8 and 9. The book contains 32 pages of wheat RPMs (95 coins) and another12 pages (36 coins) of memorials.

[coppercoins]

This website was published in 1999. At the time we needed something to use as a basis to the die variety system we were writing, so the 1997 RPM book was the best resource at the time. Also at the time there was no good resource to use for doubled dies.

Because the above mentioned reference was a good start, I made all the die numbers in the system used on this site mirror the die numbers in that book. From that point forward, ALL die numbers assigned would be assigned on an as-reported basis, and would have nothing to do with unpublished or recently published information by any other source. Furthermore, since I had nothing to go on with doubled dies, I simply started numbering those at #1 and moved forward without regard to other people's systems.

The only change that occurred to this was in 2001 when the "new" die system was released because of problems with another new die system using the same thing I had already been using for nearly three years. The "new" die system, called the USCV system (U. S. Coin Variety) is still in use today. Only the first thousand repunched mintmarks follow in any way what anyone else has ever published. Everything else we have on the site is completely original work published on a first-come first-served basis.

With regard to other systems - we will cross reference to them when it is convenient for us to do so, but we will not go to any special effort to cross to any other systems. We have enough work to do that we don't need to be chasing down unpublished or underpublished die numbers to cross ours to. That's why we have our own system in the first place We don't have to depend on anyone else for the information published on this site. We are completely independent from all other sources.

Regarding you being able to cross reference to other systems...I could be a bit self-absorbed in saying this, but why bother? What we have here and what we will have here over the coming years will be far and away more intuitive and comprehensive than anything else out there...I don't see a reason to need cross referencing if this system is the main one you use, and is the main one from which you derive information. All that aside, however, I don't know of a good way to cross reference the information without having better access to their files - and that isn't ever going to happen.

[rollmeupabe]

Chuck, your explanation helps me understand. I was building an inventory of all my varieties and this coin was the first one I came across where the numbers did not match up. I also can not match my RPM to one you have on the site so I think it may be a new one for the site. I will try to take a picture later and post it here.

[rollmeupabe]

Here are some pictures of the RPM.