Recent Finds of No Interest lol

murphy · Senior Member

Found this today. Weird how the scrape is UNDER the date! Is this die damage or planchet damage?

Found one of these today. I think it's called a "LERTY"? My first one.

One nice find today, this 1994P monster wavystep:

coop · Expert Member

Murph: Good find on the Wavy Step. Still looking and going blind trying to find any. I guess I should start watching stopped watches. You do know they are right two times a day Question

Bob P · Site Admin

Murph,
Your 1962D cent is still called a lamination peel. Nice wavy step there as well. As far as the missing letters, I have collected those over the years and guess my colection numbers about 30 or so. I like them too!

coop · Expert Member

I guess the way you could tell if it is planchet damage or die damage would be. If it is raised it is die damage/diescratch/diecrack/die break/cud. If it is incuse, then it is planchet lamenation/bag mark/counting machine damage/strike thoughs/coin scratches. So where it is raised or incuse would probably be the answer for the above question. Sorry I missed that the other time around as I was looking at something I've been watching for and not finding yet.

murphy · Senior Member

Coop, keep watching buddy. Persistence pays off. Good luck. Smile

coppercoins · Site Admin

Actually the 1962D is struck through scrap. If it were a lamination peel the digits of the date would be affected by the peel. Just imagine peeling the surface of the coin off after it was struck. That's what a lamination peel would look like. Since the digits of the date are virtually unaffected by this particular problem, the indention had to have happened at the time of the strike.

murphy · Senior Member

You da man Chuck. Thanks for your excellent explaination.

murphy · Senior Member

Looks like I'm developing a thing for lamination and planchet errors. I much prefer those that occur in the fields behind the devices without causing damage to the devices. I'm not sure what to call this but it's not something that you see every day and I really like this one.

Notice that the only damage on Lincoln's portrait occurs in the very lowest areas of his portrait.

I just had a thought...why don't I sell it on eBay as The Blowed-up Lincoln! Looks like the terrorists have found him. It might even sell to one of those rich Arabs that likes to imagine a famous American being blowed all up. He could put a hole in it and string it around his camel's neck. Weird huh? Ok I'll stop. Laughing

coop · Expert Member

The reason the damage looks behind it is that the field is the closest to the coin and the bust/head/date/letters are deep into the die. So when the die goes through excessive cleaning/strike something hard in the way or debrie from what ever, it lands up on the field as the is the top of the die as you would look into it and the details are deep into the die making the coin have details that stand out and the fields set into the die appear to be the lowest details. I hope this makes sense.. Idea

eagames · Expert Member

Coop,

How are cent dies oriented, is the obverse die always on top and pressed verticaly?

I think I read someplace that the "new" presses mount the dies different than old ones so they press horizontaly from the sides instead of vertical. I think the reason was to reduce up/down vibration of the floors at the mint. Maybe that's only for big denominations.

Just wondering how they do the modern cents.

murphy · Senior Member

So Coop, are you saying it is a strike through?

coop · Expert Member

Ed: Sorry I don't know the postion of the presses. But they have always been called a hammer (obverse) and Anvil (reverse) position. So I visualize it as vertical. But it would be another direction, as I have not seen there machine.
Murph: I would say that your coin is caused by die damage as far as I can see. If I am right, the markings should raise. If they are not raised if could have been struck through debrie and fallen off. So it would take know which way the makings are. Raised or incuse.

murphy · Senior Member

The damage is incuse in nature, not raised.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

A very nice wavy step Murph. Any ID on it yet? If not, I would like to file it. Thanks.

WAVYSTEPS2003

murphy · Senior Member

Hehe, don't you recognize it BJ? You id'ed it for me already as 1994P-WSDDR-002 (EMDS).
That's the kind of wavy step that I look for with every glance at each Lincoln Memorial that I see. My very many disappointments are greatly overshadowed by my very few successes. It's a Wonderful Life. Very Happy

(if you've seen my ugly penny collection, you'd know that it doesn't take much to satisfy me, lol.)