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.jpg) walkingdudeVeteran Member
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 StevenExpert Member
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:43 pm |
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Looks like two cents and a hammer caused that clash. 
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 smedSenior Member
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Yup... sent an "ask seller a question" stating
It is not, as you put it -- most likely a fake -- it IS definitely a fake, mostly likely done with a couple of coins and a hammer. A clash will only show in the fields, never the devices.
Let's see if anything happens...
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StevenExpert Member
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:17 pm |
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It's hard to believe the seller with a 100% rating of over 400 is going to let this auction run even when advised the coin is an obvious  FAKE. The seller says not all e-bay sellers are underhanded. Keeping this one listed makes me believe some are. This seems to be the only item this seller has listed also.
Again only my opinion.
Steven
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walkingdudeVeteran Member
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:42 pm |
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I thought I had read here or elsewhere that only the field part or lower part (I think that's worded correclty) would show. Thanks.
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StevenExpert Member
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On this clashed 1991 you can see pretty well the spaces between the columns "appear" raised in the field of the Obv. I believe these are sometimes refered to as a jailed Abe? I don't think this can be done with a hammer or a vice? Never know though some crafty, if that's the right word, people out there.
Steven
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 Bob PSite Admin
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Steven,
That is a very nice clash...and very early after the clash to boot. That sort of clashing can not be accomplished with a hammer and vice.
You were close on the name. These are referred to as 'prisoner cents'.
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walkingdudeVeteran Member
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Good one, I posted one like that but not as deep. Mine came from a BU roll. What got me asking was mine wasn't near anywhere as nice as the one on ebay. I found a couple with the "YTR" but no date or lettering on the obv. plus I think someone said it can only be the nonraised part that will show.
Its a shame that someone would be willing to sell what is obviously a fake, I even seen a slabbed coin saying "Doubled all over the coin", the cert. words said "Machine Doubled" 
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smedSenior Member
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Decided to send another question yesterday:
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got this in response:
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| "Actually was a little too preoccupied with it being a holiday and all to be so focused on your message, apparently you did NOT read my response to a similar mail I had received last week in which I responded that in the case of what that person said, then all bidders should 'consider it a fake' and that I was leaving the auction up because perhaps someone wanted it as a novelty item, if you do have trouble reading that response or what I have written here then please write me back so I can put it in more simple terms for you." |
Jackass...
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:27 am |
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Looking at this particular auction, it literally screams "STAY FAR, FAR AWAY". It is evident that shill bidding is in the works or some other devious plan to bilk an unwary bidder.
Smed, by far, did the right thing and his actions should be applauded. However, Ebay on the other hand has rules in place that are only followed to enrich their poickets and seemingly do not care what is put on auction as long as it shows a profit to them. The "chinese" connection (silver trade dollar fakes) is ample proof of their lack of concern. The ANA / Ebay warning statement for coins and paper money, at the end of "placing items for auction", is laughable and probably ignored or never read by most.
That is the problem and the only way to correct it is with education; let those who are unwilling to learn waste their money on junk like above. Even if just one person was stopped from bidding on this "garage coin"by reading the contents of these threads, then this forum is working as it should, as a learning tool.
WAVYSTEPS2003 aka BJ Neff
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