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chookseyNew Member
Posts: 19 Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:09 pm |
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Hi I'm new here.
Question on the 1982 varieties. I have lots of 1982 Lincolin's
and I understand that there are varieties. The problem is I can't tell the difference [eg; lg & sm dates]. They all look the same to me How do I determine the small from the large dates? Does anyone have a picture in which I can see?
Thanks.
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StevenExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:40 pm |
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Welcome to the forum chooksey,
I will try to post a picture unless someone else beats me to it. Also there are 12 die varieties listed so far for 1982 and 82D in the die variety section.
Steven
Last edited by Steven on Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:10 pm; edited 4 times in total
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:44 pm |
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I have them readily available, so here they are. Take note of the 2 in the date as it is a good indicator. Remember there are copper and zinc of these varieties also. The copper ones weigh 3.1 grams, and the zinc weigh in at 2.5 grams. The sound when they are dropped is also a good indicator. If there is anything else, let us know!
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StevenExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:03 pm |
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Beat me to it Bob. I guess I need to start a photo database rather than retaking photos all the time. A lot faster that way
Steven
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chookseyNew Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:56 pm |
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I have them readily available, so here they are. Take note of the 2 in the date as it is a good indicator. Remember there are copper and zinc of these varieties also. The copper ones weigh 3.1 grams, and the zinc weigh in at 2.5 grams. The sound when they are dropped is also a good indicator. If there is anything else, let us know!
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Thank you Bob & Steven,
I noticed that the top of the 8's [circle] is smaller in the 'small date' and in the large date is larger. Is this another way of determining the sm and lg dates?
Also Steven, You said there are 12 varieties, what are they?
As for weighing I don't have a scale and my hearing if I drop the coin wouldn't help me [hearing not so good]
Again, Thanks for the info
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:02 pm |
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chooksey,
If you go to this sites home page and look to the top left you will see where it says DIE VARIETIES. click on that and the next page that comes up will have blocks where you can add the information of year, mint and type of variety. If you just input the year and leave the others blank it will bring up all listed varieties for that year.
For 1982 you can use this link.
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StevenExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:03 pm |
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chooksey,
If you go to this sites home page and look to the top left you will see where it says DIE VARIETIES. click on that and the next page that comes up will have blocks where you can add the information of year, mint and type of variety. If you just input the year and leave the others blank it will bring up all listed varieties for that year.
For 1982 you can use this link.
Steven
http://www.coppercoins.com/diesearch.php?date=1982&page=0
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:27 pm |
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I always use the 8 to tell large from small date, it works best for me.
To determine copper or zinc you can make a balance in a few minutes. Take a strip of any metal you can cut from an old can, get a strip about 1/2 inch wide and about 8 inches long. Bend it so it's a balance beam, start by bending in the middle to make a rocker point. On the other/weight end start out with a longer metal strip then roll it up to create the weight. Then make the coin/sample end the right length by putting the test coin on the far end and keep shortening it until a zinc stays up but a copper drops. Like a teeter totter.
You can adjust these by changing the length or rolling/unrolling the other end until they work perfect. I've even seen these made using a piece of wood with a zinc cent glued as the weight and a pencil glued in the center as the rocker, the exact placement of the rocker and length of the ends make it work.
To get a test coin to use as a weight use any 83-06 as your zinc and anything 81 or older as the copper.
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Try it!!!!
There are 7 types:
LC-d, SZ-d, LZ-d, SC, LC, SZ, LZ
To see the 12 die varieties listed here go to
http://www.coppercoins.com/advsearch.php
enter 1982 for the date
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chookseyNew Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:28 pm |
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Am I correct to understand that this one is the small date?
And this one is the large date?
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:17 am |
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Yes, The area distance between the rim of the 2 is different on each coin on the images of the large date/small date.
If you use the balance scale suggested above you could place 1/2 of a 2X2, cut in two, the taped to ends of the balance scale. You might use them to hold the Cents in question to kkep them from falling off the balance beam. You just have to make sure you have them centered and taped with the same amount of tape on the back side to hold them to the balance scale. If one is higher, add tape to the back side of the lower one till they balance with nothing on them, then try the suggestions mentioned above to check for sure if they are copper or copper/Zinc Cents with using a pre-1980 Cent and use the question able Cent to see if it balances or is lighter (which would raise higher) on your balance beam and it would be the lighter Cent the post 1982-2006 copper/zinc Cent. But most of the time you can hear the differences on sound if dropped on a table. So there are differerant ways to determine which coins are which. The only critical year to sort is the 1982. By using a scale will work also on a scale if it is that sensative. Which mine isn't. It can't detect the difference even using a Gram setting. It just isn't as tolerant as I need to do this.
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:24 pm |
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Steven....I have taken so many pictures over the years, and I actually have a pretty good filing system for being able to find them rather quickly. Keep at it though. There are times when I don't have pics, or don't have the time. I would rather the person who asks gets more than enough info than none at all.
For Chooskey....There are 7 different types of the Large or Small dates as eagames noted on the bottom of his reply. The 12 varieties mentioned are the doubled dies and RPMs.
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