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 RussellhomeVeteran Member
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FYI: Billy Crawford just put out his new issue of Die Variety News -- and it includes a section that covers most of the 2005 P Ocean in View DDR nickels I've shown in this post (only his photos are much better).
The magazine is free. Here is the link...
http://home.sc.rr.com/dievarieties/Die_Variety_News.html
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:34 pm |
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Found another one. Turns out that Crawford has seen this one from somone else (file ID CDDR-017) -- but it is new to me. Another pretty strong Ocean View DDR.
Have you found any yet? If so, please add them to this post.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:16 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:32 pm |
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| Bob P wrote: |
| Are you finding them only in mint sets? |
The best ones came from the 22 coin mint sets. But nice ones (including the one I just found - see above) have been found in the 6 Coin WJ Nickel Sets (now selling at below issue price on eBay). The 'hit rate' in mint sets appears to be much lower than with the nickel sets.
You get a clue about what WJ nickel sets have the best chance of DDO or DDR finds by looking at the P mint mark. All the major DDOs and most of the OIV DDRs come from sets where the master die had a P mint mark with a dented lower left foot. Sets with the full foot (photo on the right) - tend to have lower hit rates than sets containing the dented foot. Most of Mint Set nickels have the full foot (including some with OIV DDRs) -- while most of the nickel set P nickels have the dented foot mint mark.
When I get a batch of sets with the dented foot, I know I have a good chance of finding at least a minor doubled die. To date, there are 40+ known doubled dies in the 2005 P SMS nickels.
I did find one business strike OIV DDR. And I did hear on another forum that a 2nd business strike OIV DDR had been discovered -- also in a mint issued 2 roll set (same place where I found mine). Since those are still available from the mint, I'm thinking about trying my luck there. I've also heard that a proof OIV DDR has been discovered - but I have not seen it yet.
One of the best things about these OIV DDRs is that you can spot some of them with no magnification -- and the majority of them with just a 10x loop. I'm sure a number of these will get cherry-picked right off of dealer tables.
Well -- that is pretty much all I know on the subject. The Ocean View 5c Doubled Dies appear to be in everything issued - so search everything you can get your hands on might be the best rule to follow.
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I found a Proof version now -- from a 6 coin WJ nickel set...
And Billy Crawford informed me that a 2nd business strike has been reported and it is much better than the one I found.
This really is Minnesota Quarters all over again.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:24 pm |
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A couple of more 2005 OIV DDR Finds...
Three more proof Ocean in View DDRs
And finally - here is a business strike DENVER OIV DDR. It was found - in of all places -- a WJ nickel First Day Coin Cover (FDC). This is not a really bold one - but it is the first known with the D mint. So there is hope for you west-coasters who get mostly D nickels.
So counting proof, SMS, and business strike, there are now nearly 40 OIV DDRs. And if you add the SMS DDOs to the list, there are over 50 listed die varieties in the 2005 WJ nickels. So if you need a break from searching cents - the nickels are a pretty good bet.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:49 pm |
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LIke you say, Russlehome, It is pretty "one way" that Philadelphia "dumps" all their mintages on the eastern seaboard, and Denver does the same thing, west. Why don't they send half of their coinage to the opposite coasts and make the game a bit more equal?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:04 pm |
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More about this coin... (see more photos above)
Brian Ribar - Wexler's nickel attributor, has been on the fence about listing these "FAT OIV" varieties. He listed a couple of them, but only if he could see signs of notching or other doubling (i.e. extra branch stuff). But he recently got off the fence and decided to list all of the "FAT OIVs" -- of which there are at least 5 versions with varying degrees and areas of "Fatness".
A while back, I sent a large batch of these OIV DDRs off to CONECA as a courtesy submission. James Wiles examined them and did list all of the ones I sent, including the "FAT OIVs". I ask him what his thought was on the cause of this anomaly, and he said...
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I believe the "fat" OIVs are class VI. Even with single squeeze the hub will flatten if used excessively. If my theory is correct and they overused at least 1 hub, there are probably more of these out there with varying degrees of thickness.
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So one fact is certain - the DV pros are listing them. But the cause of the distortion appears to be less certain and more theory. It is an unusual series of coins and it will be interesting to see if a consensus is ever reached on the cause of this variety.
FYI: I have seen similar bloating on some state quarters and other modern denominations - but not nearly to the same degree as the "Fat OIVs".
FYI2: Brian Ribar took a bunch of nice clear photos of two of these "Fat OIV" varieties (WDDR-010/WDDR-011) and put them on his listings page. Here is the link...
http://www2.briansvarietycoins.com/listings/cat/7
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:40 am |
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I think this is the best 2005 P Ocean View 5c DDR yet...
I saw one of these on eBay a few months ago and got outbid. I finally tracked one down. That hunk of metal is sitting so far out in space, it looks like a UFO! It is naked eye visible and easily spotted with a 5x loop.
Now this one is as bold as any of the MN 25c DDRs, yet I bet it would not get $15 on eBay right now. There are many significant OIV Nickel DDRs and yet they are still virually unknown. On the positive side, I've been able to fill many of the holes in my collection for next to nothing. I have nearly 40 different ones now and I think I'm one of about 3 people looking for these at this point in time.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:34 am |
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Here are the only two I have come across.
Both from circulation, 2005-P
Would these also classify as DDRs?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:39 am |
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Bankrolls.
Nice finds. Those are most certainly DDRs. They are similar to CDDR-034/WDDR-036 (shown below), but this DDR does not have the doubling to the left of the 3rd branch up - as appears to be the case with yours. I think it is a new one. Billy Crawford and Brian Ribar have the most complete listings of the OIV DDRs. Send it in and get it listed.
I'm glad to see someone else is searching through 2005 nickels. I'm sure that there are plenty more great finds waiting to be discovered - as it appears the mint had as much trouble making OIV 5c dies as they did the MN Quarters. But not many people are looking through the nickels. Perhaps the best one is just waiting to be found.
P.S. Don't forget to flip the 2005 nickels over. I recently purchased a few rolls of OIV nickels and found a minor, but listable DDO - visible in the RUS of TRUST.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:49 am |
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That's Good News Ken!
Thank You 
Were do I send them?
Do I send them to Chuck when I send my other submissions?
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| BankRolls wrote: |
Were do I send them?
Do I send them to Chuck when I send my other submissions? |
The people I mentioned are not associated with Coppercoins. To the best of my knowledge, Coppercoins only does copper coins (and they do them very well -- this is a great site). Billy Crawford is an indepentent Die Variety pro and Brian Ribar is part of the "Wexler" goup of attributors with NCADD. Here are links to their respective sites -- the submission info can be found there...
http://home.sc.rr.com/dievarieties/Die_Variety_News.html
http://www2.briansvarietycoins.com/listings
On Brian's site, check out WDDR-038. That MIGHT be your DDR. He does not point to the doubling left of the 3rd branch, but there appears to be something there. Check the markers he provides -- perhaps yours is an earlier die state of WDDR-038.
Sorry it took so long for me to respond - I got a little busy and have not had much time for the forums. Thanks for posting your new find.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:38 am |
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Thank You Ken!
I will check into it as soon as I get home this evening.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:50 am |
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Interesting enough these are, but for some reason none of them tickle my fancy. They are all too minor to grab my attention.
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