1964 Canadian 5 Cent

daggit · Senior Member

Is this a strike thru?

Rhubarb · Senior Member

daggit,

I know nothing about Canadian Coins. I suspect that it hold's true for all denomination's in all countries that it appear's to be a Die Crack. Not sure but pretty sure.

Rhubarb

daggit · Senior Member

Dick · Expert Member

Daggit, That looks liks a very bad gouge. Cracks are raised. THat is because the metal that forms the crack/or break on the coin, or planchet, depending on the severity; is extruded thru, or into the opening in the die, where the crack, or break is located. Most are not that straight a line. I call a crack, where the metal is barely notable, whereas the break is usually liberally "piled" on the surface. It comes down to semantics, in most cases.
Dick

coop · Expert Member

Daggit: Is that raised or incuse? Looks like it is coin damage as it runst through a letter. If it is pushed in to the planchet it could be damage or a strike through as wire. But if it is raised from the planchet, then it might be a die gouge. But from the image it looks incuse. My eye bounce back and forth on this one. So I guess that question would need to be answered first.

daggit · Senior Member

Hi Coop, it is incuse. I thought perhaps it was a strike thru but it's possible it was done by a good whack against it. It looked similar in form to some of the strike thru's that I have got, well defined lines and smooth groove. But of course thats coming from "newbie" eyeballs. Laughing

Robert · Senior Member

If it's incused it could be a strike-through. If it was a gouge made after the coin was struck, I would expect to find striations along the path of the gouge. I don't see them there. I suppose it could also be some other form of post-strike impact (i.e. not a gouge) but again there's not much evidence of that.

So I'm leaning towards this being a strike thru but I'm not 100% sure. What would a strike-thru look like at the coin's edge?

I do see striations (unrelated to the possible strike-through) on the edge of the coin (and perhaps doubling on the denticles).

coop · Expert Member

Strike through wire does give the smooth look like daggit's coin.

I tried with a razor to make marks in a Cent.

The mark showed some zinc on a stronger scratch, no zinc showing on a light scratch. But the distance remained the same. But it is not rounded and the blade left distinct lines on the planchet. With daggits coin it has the rounded look, but tappers at the end. Which could mean that what it was string through tapered. So it one I would hang onto till an error expert can look at it. But it could be a real strike through.

Dick · Expert Member

Don't forget we are talking about a nickel, a Canadian nickel. Remember what it is made of, and the hardness of the alloy. I still believe it "took a hit" from something, post mint.
As far as a strike-thru, the cent shown by Coop, would leave an impression like that, but the same can't be said about the "zinc. It would surely cause a "rip, or tear in the copper plating, if the object were of the same size as the one that created the rounded form on the cent. IMHO, I'm human, and can be wrong. " I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong"! Rolling Eyes

Dick

daggit · Senior Member

Thanks for all the input you guys....and Coop...I don't know experts here so if I ever want someone to look at one of my finds (presuming I find anything noteable Laughing

) what expert would I get in touch with and how?

Rhubarb · Senior Member

Daggit,

The one thing you must alway's remember. Coppercoin's and it's member's are clearly the best that Numismaticts have to offer when it comes to verifying your coin's. I have in the past and still will in the future ask this Board of Expert's to examine my coin's. Just remember that if you have a question, you should never hesitate to ask.

Rhubarb

daggit · Senior Member

Dick · Expert Member

Daggit, you can always strat with Bob Piazza. Then there is Chuck, (he is VERY busy, moving , lock, stock, and barrel, to Florida,. So he is not available 'til after Feb. 0 Cool

Then there is ED, Steven, COOP, and a whole crowd of others lurking. My suggestion, just ask, and one will answer.. Your last, yes it also is a doubled column. Probably listable. Ask Bob.
Dick

coop · Expert Member

I was thinking Matt Diamond or Fred Weinburg. They may have an idea, but because its a Candian coin they may not know the price range. Matt posts here when questions are raised. Maybe someone has it email address and can forward it about your coin.

coppercoins · Site Admin

I am available on occasion.

1. Die cracks and gouges are both in-relief (raised) in coins - no exceptions. Daggit does not have either.

2. Digs, scratches, and other damage ALWAYS have displaced metal in some form of a ridge next to the mark. If there's metal moved from a canyon, it has to be along the ridges.

3. Struck through sharp or hard objects impacts the metal straight-on at the time it was struck. Since the die is present to keep ridges from forming, the edges of a struck through are smooth.

Based on the facts above and the posted image, I would say Daggit's coin was struck through something hard at the time it was struck.

Think of it in cartoon terms...if Homer is run over by a steam roller, he makes a flat cavity in the pavement...a struck through. If Homer is dragged under a car, he digs a trench in the pavement and pieces go flying...same as a scratch in a coin.