1858 FE find

mojaveblue · Advanced Member

I found this FE in a IHC roll from ebay. Its the first FE cent Ive ever held in my hand. 1958 seems to be good year for variety and value, but I cant say if its small letters or large.
I wonder if anyone could hazard a guess at grade also? Maybe very good to fine?
Thanks for looking.
This cent might pay for the cost of the roll.

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coop · Expert Member

Corroded. Probably found outdoors. Small letters.

eagames · Expert Member

It has some environmental damage problems but it does have nice details. A lot of these are worm smooth.

Dick · Expert Member

small letters. The AM is divided.

coppercoins · Site Admin

I believe it's a copy...not real. The design is wrong and the lack of detail is probably due to it not being there in the first place. I am by no means an expert in flying eagle cents, but it hit me as odd looking as soon as I saw it.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

From the grainy appearance of the field and the design elements, this may be a coin made from a sand cast mold, typical of the counterfeits made in China.

The weight and diameter of this coin will tell the true story.

BJ Neff

Dick · Expert Member

I saw this earlier, and now, having looked again, I see what may just be my eyes, but is there an indicarion of a clash, as well?
It suure looks like a "left facing profile".

ken · Senior Member

Definitely looks to be a fake.The AM would be a little farther apart on the small letters coin.Should be touching on the large letters coin.This is kinda in-between.Therefore probably a fake. Sad

mojaveblue · Advanced Member

Now that is a direction of topic I never expected. That makes it more the interesting if the roll was supposed to be original bank rolled, it looked old and the paper was stained as it might be. The 2 thoughts I would have are that if the coin is a fake, then this roll had to have been packaged recently, thinking the technology for making counterfeits is not that old, and either the seller or who he/she got them from repackaged them.

Ill look up the specifics on FE cents and do some measuremnts, I have a micrometer and vernier for size and Ill have to try to do some weight comparisons since I dont have a good scale.

Thanks for the help, I am beginning to do the math on rolls from ebay, seemed a gamble. But now after a few, I don't think I'm breaking even for cost versus value. And I found the average value for wheats with normal wear from circulation from About.com, and came up with just under 10 cents per coin, even with the 1909s VDB and the other high ones added in the mix.
Thats true Dick, there seemed to be a fine line impression which didnt look like a strike or scratch, I don't have Photoshop on my computer where I could do a layered comparison of the different parts of the coin to see if it would fit that line on the coin. To see if there could be a clashed die involved. But that would be funny the chinese add that extra bit of evidence to make it look genuine.

I would send it to anyone if theyd like to take a look.
Phil

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

If you would like, send it down to me and I will have Randy Campbell (senior grader for ICG) take a look at it. We are both into counterfeit detection (he is miles ahead of me though) and this is right up our alley.

My address can be found on the attribution page.

BJ Neff

mojaveblue · Advanced Member

That would be great BJ, thanks.
Do you know how much he charges normally for this including shipping?

Phil

Dick · Expert Member

Phil, you can also contact Rick, at Eagle eye Coins, in Tucson,AZ. I'll locate a link for you, and also contact the "Fly--in-club. they are very able, and capable of determining if it is a fake, and if it is also , or a clash. That is whwt they do.
Try this:
www.indiancent.com)
If he don't know, it is unknown!
PS) If anyone can do a number on it to tell about a clash, I'll bet coop can do it. Coop? Anu ideas?

mojaveblue · Advanced Member

Thanks Dick, I have been to that website before, don't remember what took me there. But that is a good site.
I'll see what BJ thinks of it first, and possibly Randy Campbell.

I am still hoping it is a clashed die 1858, maybe got walked on by some Confederate or Union soldier.

Phil

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Phil - Just send it down with return postage and I'll take care of the rest.

BJ Neff

mojaveblue · Advanced Member

Thanks BJ.
Are you available to look at one IHC for date doubling?
And a state quarter with what may be trails?
At the normal price for attribution of course, and in line behind all others submitted currently.
I know this is trending across subject areas, sorry.