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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:50 pm Reply with quote

I've been through several rolls and nothing yet. Not even close. It may have been a die scratch on a couple of different dies and the number could be few of them even out there. So far nothing yet here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:16 am Reply with quote

As usual I don't have the "current" issue of CW, but it sounds like the mint is once again talking out of their collective backsideholes. I can't remember the last time something "happened" and they admitted to it "happening".

They look like intentional elements, not die scratches or anything else, to me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:58 pm Reply with quote

Is there an option C anywhere? Gouges seem possible, but the placement seems odd...especially since we are dealing with two different "extra leaf' designs here. The "rubbing out aspect" can be better determined with die progression. If we can see a late(r) die state of the same two design elements, it might do some explaining.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:19 pm Reply with quote

Just when I thought the whole Wisconsin quarter thing would start settling down I read the Jan 31 CW.

Page 3 says that the "Extra Leaf High" and "Extra Leaf Low" will both be recognized in the next Red Book. Might be just a mention or it might be a line listing. But it will be in there.

FWIW, the original finders aren't finding them any more, and the local Tucson TV stations have picked up the story so people are looking for the coins. Others are finding them though.

The "Extra Leaf High" variety appears to be 3x as scarce asl the Low variety.

The story also gives clarification of the Mint's story. "It is most likely caused by the foreign, hard particle object being imbedded into the surface of the die that eventually transferred back to a coin, creating a crater on the die surface."


I don't think everyone buys that, but there you are.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:48 pm Reply with quote

Also the major third party grading companies are recognizing them. I have seen the varieties listed in the PCGS population report and NGC slabs are on e-bay already. They are making a three coin slab for high and low leaf as well as the normal d quarter.

I bought a raw set and may pick up a PCGS set.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:02 pm Reply with quote

And people are saying varieties are unimportant flyspeck collecting? I still hear of people talking down varieties saying people have nothing better to do than put pocket change under high powered microscopes and invent values for worthless coins...

And here we have the numismatic community in a frenzy over little lines on the back of "common" quarters.

I guess nobody needs to wonder why I'm doing what I do. It is indeed the new age of coin collecting, and everyone here is riding the elevator from the bottom.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:38 pm Reply with quote

That is so true Chuck. I would like see some of those "quarter weenies" LOL take a close look at that 68D doubled reverse you just found- now THAT is a variety.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:56 am Reply with quote

I was wondering if these things would turn up in rolls of Wisconsin quarters. I saw that there were a few 3-quarters, D-mint sets selling on eBay, but the only place I heard of availability was at the FUN coin show in Florida. I’d really like to have those things too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:37 am Reply with quote

coppercoins wrote:
And people are saying varieties are unimportant flyspeck collecting? I still hear of people talking down varieties saying people have nothing better to do than put pocket change under high powered microscopes and invent values for worthless coins...

And here we have the numismatic community in a frenzy over little lines on the back of "common" quarters.

I guess nobody needs to wonder why I'm doing what I do. It is indeed the new age of coin collecting, and everyone here is riding the elevator from the bottom.


If one takes a dispassionate look at the trends in coins and collecting over the last several generations he is likely to be lefy with the impression that this is all highly predictable. Before 1932 if the mint needed only a few of a coin in one region of the country then there would be a small mintage from one mint and a scarce date would be created. This happened on a fairly regular basis until the mint was "offended" by an offer to buy the entire 1931 cent output of the San Francisco mint. This caused a new policy of not creating short mint runs anymore.

All collectors crave the different, the unusual, and the rare and this was no longer being produced as regular production coins. Look at the growth of sales of the proof sets through the 1970's and the continuing trend to seek the finest possible mint state coins. These are simply natural outgrowths of the simple fact that people percieve the typical regular issue coinage to be common and mundane. Now the same thing is happening with varieties. While subtle and difficult to see varieties may never get a huge following it certainly seems clear that there is growing demand for all of these.

The later issues will prove to be especially interesting since many issues were not set aside and few varieties appear in mint sets. There are numerous issues which are scarce to very common in unc which will be unknown in unc and very elusive even in nice circulated condition due to the beating these coins have taken over the last couple generations and the poor quality of their manufacter.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quote

This is what the extra Leaf variety coins have come to. Check this out. I will post this in the chat room too.

http://www.indiancent.com/market/wiquarter.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:05 pm Reply with quote

Not surprising, other than coming from THE ILLUSTRIOUS MISTER INDIAN HEAD CENT HIMSELF - IF I DIDN'T SAY IT'S A VARIETY IT AIN'T POOP LET ME BLOW MY OWN HORN *TOOT*TOOT*

I still don't have anything nice to say about Mr Potter re: type II lincoln reverse 1992-2000.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:49 pm Reply with quote

smed wrote:
Not surprising, other than coming from THE ILLUSTRIOUS MISTER INDIAN HEAD CENT HIMSELF - IF I DIDN'T SAY IT'S A VARIETY IT AIN'T POOP LET ME BLOW MY OWN HORN *TOOT*TOOT*

I still don't have anything nice to say about Mr Potter re: type II lincoln reverse 1992-2000.


Seems easy to "create" a market for things when you have a number of them to sell, but to share information freely is like pulling teeth with many of them (the self-important experts). I find that to be a regular conundrum I have to fight re: coppercoins.com versus lincolncent.com...the conflict of creating/reporting values and selling coins.

It's a constant battle of morals I fight with. All I can do is go with my heart and try not to make enemies with what I do. I can't "give" too much away because I have to make a living...but at the same time I don't want to gouge people with what I know/have. After all, it is just a simple living I'm trying to carve. I really don't want to follow the lead of a number of the "experts." Seems many of them have quirks that make them genuinely easy not to like. Back and forth I go, hoping not to stick myself into the light of deserving statements like yours.

I'm not blaming you, there's every right to call people out for what they do. I just want to make the right moves so as NOT to be seen like this. Back and forth, and the store isn't done because I'm worried about looking too much like a snake oil salesman. Back and forth...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:56 am Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong Chuck, it's not what they charge (just like TV hawkers) that gets me, it's their presentation.

Too bad so many people don't do a bit of research on their own and believe every word a less-than-honest salesman says.

Snow is so full of himself it's surprising he's not blown up like a puffer fish, and (it seems to me) Potter will say anything to get your money.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:01 pm Reply with quote

Rick is selling these on Ebay too and last time I looked he managed to get a bid of over $1000 for one of the holders that has all three varieties in MS67.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:03 pm Reply with quote

This is just crazy. 3 coin sets are going for over $1,000 raw. Roll sets sealed sets from the mint I saw sold 10 sealed sets for $1,400. This hit the national media yesterday. Alot of people will be soured if/when things come back to Earth. Joe
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