How to contact coppercoins for ? about book

[Bob P]

That's not a problem Carl. That is why we are all here...to help any way we can. As far as the positioning in the book, I personally think it is ideal as it begins just before the break-down by dates. Most importantly though, you got the info you needed, and that is what matters most.
As far as the old age thingy...I think we all suffer from that to one extent or another.

[Dick]

Just carl, I want to welcome you to the forum. I would also like to say I was as confused as you were. I will also say that this system of cataloging the different varieties took me a while to understand it. I understand it just fine, now. I will say in conclusion, that I DON'T understand the system used in the CPG, (Cherry Pickers Guide), even tho I have both, the latest editions, and a third ED. This "code", actually makes sense, and will work for any denomination, and I imagine any country. Patience, my new friend, It will come to you. It came to me, and I'm only 81! Still working on my first cent set. You are lucky, to have both editions of CD's book. I have a check wandering, who knows where, trying to get the second edition, but if it never gets located, and negociated, I may end up having to wait for the third, edition! I should have used PayPal!, and sent an echeck!
Dick

[Dick]

Gentlemen, the idea that Carl has brought up could be used in this system, without too much change. For example: 2005D-1RR-180-001, would indicate a 2005-D cent, with a 180 degree rotated reverse, and is the first example. It expands the system, and still follows the format. make "cents"?
Dick

[Bob P]

Dick, I hear what you are saying, but here again, we are getting into errors, not varieties. Coppercoins.com deals specifically with varieties (those being doubled dies, repunched mintmarks, repunched dates etc.) If we start getting into striking errors, there are too many variables to even consider adding them to this site. We kinda like what we are doing with the varieties only since those are easy to narrow down to a specific hub/die.
There are folks who have attempted to do what you suggest, and there are books out there concerning errors.

[eagames]

The number systems are used to attribute varieties. That means a variety that comes from a specific die with markers.

A rotated reverse is an error not a variety. Other coins from the same die may not have the same rotation error so they are not a "die variety". They should just be called an error and you note how much rotation.

It would not work to use numbers for errors since they can all be unique and the markers would match other coins from the same die that won't have the same error or a coin from a different die with the same rotation error won't have the same markers and you would be numbering unique coins, too many numbers. Also it defeats the reason for using numbers if they used them for errors, you would need to number every unique specific mechanical double, every unique clip, every unique rotation and the number would only match that specific coin.

One confusing thing is some errors get repeated, like a rotated reverse or MAD but the reason they are not varieties is the same die could have made coins without the error. In general to be a variety every coin from that die will be the same, none exist with the same markers without the same variety. Hence numbers = a specific die with specific numbers and are used to attribute which is matching a specific die.

Hope this makes cents

[Bob P]

Pretty good Ed. We both posted our replies at the exact same time! Probably couldn't do that again,,,

[Dick]

Carl, you can't be that old! Everyone knows I am four years older than "Christ", so don't be frustrated. "Tain't that bad".
Dick
ED, and BOB, looks like Dick screwed up again! Normal for me, so I best get used to it. (referring to my "expanded " format), I agree, it is an ERROR, not a variety! I guess I got up too early this morning, and my head is still asleep!

[Bob P]

Don't be too harsh on yourself Dick. I make many boo-boos too, but we're amongst friends here, so I don't sweat the small stuff, and neither should you.

[creilly]

Dick,
My Dad claims to be 7 years older than dirt....

[Dick]

Hi Cathy! how ya been? We haven't heard a word from you, and I wondered if you were still "snow-bound"? Everything must be okay, now. Nice to see you back
I would like to thank you for the, "Care package". It was a surprise. The two rolls of coins, yes, I knew about, but the others were a complete surprise! How are you doing with the "tubs"? Welcome back!
Dick

[creilly]

I have set aside the tubs until after Xmas. I am selling off some morgans though. I found a box of "scrap morgans" and so off to eBay they go. That and Silver Certificates.
No snow here yet. Yeah! Makes X-mas shopping easier..
Im glad you like the stuff and that the 31 helped out.
Hubby thinks I should Donate or giveaway a tub or two. Too many for 1 little old person you know.
I am glad you like the Franklin. I have one you would drool over. Its a 1961 Proof FS-50-1961-801 DDR. Ill send you a picture when it gets back from Anacs. Its a ultra cam with full bell lines. I am expecting a 65 or 66 grade on it, if not better. Fingers crossed.
It will be going up for sale as soon as it returns to me.
Otherwise not much else is going on.

Oh I did find about 500 of the ugliest pennies in the world in a blue coin holder actually 5 of them. They look like a train ran over them then they were picked up by a bird and made in to a nest then, dropped in to a bottle of soda and then fished out of a pond. But then nice part is they are all carded to protect them and labled while the proofs lay loose in the tubs!!
(Thats me being sarcastic! Its true though.. Gramps was a strange one.)

[Dick]

Cathy, That is a nice looking setup you have. I'm sure you will enjoy it for many years to come.
Yes the "31 was a big surprise! I had the "D", and "S", but no '31, until now! I'm working with the 1955-S right now, cataloging them, with each detail listed for each coin. They are the start of a loooonnnng process of listing what I have. The mistake I made was to toss all together, after a glance at them. I have the list of what came in the lot, or box, or whatever, but all atre in one 3 gal. bucket! They will be checked, and then boxed, (in rolls), by date, and by mint. (I refer to the wheats, only). Close to 100 lbs!
Nice to see you feeling better, too!
Dick

[carlb]

[coop]

Carl: The biggest difference is an error is a one time occurance. A variety happens to every coin made from that die, weither die doubling or RPM. Because they occur evertime we call them varieties,as errors are usually thought of one time creations. (clashes, clips, off planchet errors, off center, brockerage, lametation, machine doubling, strike throughs, die breaks/cracks/cuds, rotated dies. These do not happen to each coin made from a die and is a error because something happened that shouldn't have happened. On varieties/RPMs all coin made from these dies will happen on every coin cause the die is affected. Thus the difference.

[eagames]

Carl,

An RPM is not an error. A double die is a variety not an error. A double strike is an error.

A guy has a job making cookies and they give him 3 cookie cutters.

At the end of his shift he has lots of cookies. A few he cut off the end of the dough so they're incomplete. Those are error cookies.

Then he notices one out of 3 cookies has a small notch because one of the 3 cutters they gave him to use had been made with a small notch. Those are variety cookies. (he made no error when making those cookies)

Same with coins. If the die was ok but a unique error happened when making coins they are errors. If one die was made with a double image or double mintmark and every coin from that die has that defect they are varieties.

So an error is something not on purpose that happens when striking coins or cutting planchets. A variety is something not on purpose that happened when the die was made and you see it on every coin made with that die.