How to contact coppercoins for ? about book

Bob P · Site Admin

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Very good analogy Ed.

Dick · Expert Member

At one time in the past, I mentioned that I was going to rack, and roll all the wheats. Seems that the Memorials are the ones getting rolled. Too many boxes of circulated cents!
During the course of checkng thsm, I have run into examples of coins that only have one or two of the markers, and the general condition of the field(s), indicate a "better" shape, earlier strike, maybe. Is this the case, or am I wrong, (again)?
I understand the general wear, and tear that goes on during the common use, which can remove, thru wear, or increase for the same reason.
Another question, while I can remember to ask it: How do I identify a coin that has all the OBV markers, or identification to go along with the markers on the TREV, if only one or two of them "remain, or have not been made yet"?

Dick

Bob P · Site Admin

Dick,
Markers can be a funny thing. You mentioned that die wear can either reduce or increase the strength of a marker. When we photograph varieties for the site, we try to find markers that are strong and identifiable. This isn't always the case. Some coins just don't have markers. That is also why we will list an EDS, MDS, and LDS of the same coin. The markers do change that much, and sometimes, the opposite die from the variety is changed, and that makes it even worse at times. Some varieties leave no doubt about which ones they are. If you only find one or two markers instead of 6 we have listed, and the variety looks the same, chances are you have that variety. Unfortunately, it isn't always that cut and dry.

Dick · Expert Member

Bob, Along that same thought, when I find a "similar" coin that has all, some, or even none of the markers, and I believe it is the same coin, except, mine is a very early stage, (based on the condition of the coin in hand), and the photo states (MDS), and mine is MS60, for example, do I list it as the "MDS",or the state-in hand, (MS60), I.E. VEDS, or EDS?
Dick

Bob P · Site Admin

Dick,
We don' differentiate between die state and grade. Your MS60 MDS may show more markers than let's say an EF40 that is also an MDS. That is one of the reasons we would prefer to have the nicer and higher grade coins photographs on the site. We will replace older photos of lower grade coins with the higher grade, and adjust the marker information to what we find on the best coin. As far as what you have in hand, you should list it as that grade and state, not what is on the site.
Markers can appear suddenly, so it is not uncommon to have an EDS coin without markers, and another EDS with new markers. Mark your coin with what you have in hand.

Dick · Expert Member

Bob, that is what I have been doing. I assumed that you would indicate that way, or tell me which way it should otherwise be done.
I see Coop made the CW, along with Murph, in the 16 March issue. Congrats, to the both of them!
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Dick,

Even if you pay for attribution the graders might only say "double die" because without any marker sometimes they can't be sure of the exact variety.

If you don't see a marker on your coin it can be because it was made before the die had that marker. Having the same marker can prove a coin is the same but not having it doesn't prove it's different. If you can tell the die state you can rule some out, a later state should have the same cracks (only bigger) than an earlier state. Polish lines are different, they can errode away or be polished away or replaced by new ones so they might only show in certain states or stages. Beware that sometimes they swap reverse dies so reverse markers can change.

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If you're asking what to put on flips my advice is:

If you think you can grade coins then list the grade or whatever you think (be conservative). If you can't easily grade between MS grades then only say AG G VG F VF EF AU UNC.

If you can't tell die states then don't list it on the flips at all. Even the TPGs don't normaly put it on even if you pay for attribution.

If you're sure of a variety then list the variety on the flip.

If you think it's a certain variety but aren't sure put what you think it is but a question mark until you're sure. You might post it and see what others think.

Dick · Expert Member

ED, The only "attribution" I ever paid for, was "dearly" paid for! I have mentioned this before. I have had some done since, and the price was as good as it gets!
As for the suggestions, you gave, that is more or less what I am doing. You will find many ?-marks on them! The ones I can verify, (on site) are marked, and put away. If there is any question, they go into another box, FFR. In other words, we seem to think very much alike, in many ways. Must be collectors, or something.
Dick