Who has a 1980 D and S

[GarryN]

Since the 1980 D and S was debunked by experts including none other than our own Chuck, in the June 5 issue of Coin World, Varieties Notebook column, I thought it would be interesting for all of us 1980 D and S owners to come forward and tell the world that we have one and how much we paid for it. I will go first, I paid $99 for mine about 2 yrs ago.

[Bob P]

I think that just having one of these coins that caused so much controversy for so many years is pretty cool in its own right. I never did get to buy or find one, but I think if I had, it is still one of the best conversation pieces to own.

[rollmeupabe]

If you hurry you probably still have a chance to sell for a nice profit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-D-LINCOLN-CENTS-TIGHT-UNOPENED-BU-ROLL-OBW_W0QQitemZ8417759880QQihZ021QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are many more like this on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-D-S-D-S-FS-034-1-OMM-1-PCGS-MS63RD-LINCOLN-1c-NR_W0QQitemZ8435043942QQihZ021QQcategoryZ31373QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[eagames]

I recently had the fun of looking through 4 $25 boxes of 80-D cents that a local coin shop was going to give to the bank because they said they weren't gems and told me I could check them first. I was hoping to find a d & s variety but I found 0! I did find several types that had something that looked like a half of an S in a slightly different position but I decided they were not S punches because they were too thin (maybe gouges?)and it made me think that what everyone else had was similar but maybe not an S. I'm sort of glad I never bought one.

What about the 97 double ear? The graders don't seem to attribute them as DDO 1-0-IV (but it is or was listed as that by Coneca) the graders just say "double ear" or the FS number as if they are making sure they are correct whatever the experts say by not calling them DDOs. The CPG says they think it's a well placed die chip not a DDO. Does anyone know if the experts are debating what it is?

[wavysteps2003]

Hi Ed - The debate surrounding the 1997P-1DO-001 (yes, it is now on this site) has been laid to rest. Initally, it was thought that since this was produced a the "single squeeze" hubbing process, that it should not have happened; "single squeeze hubbing does not produce doubled dies" statement has long ago been debunked.

Under close examination, it was discovered that not only was the ear doubled on this 1997 die, but I believe, fourteen other points (don't quote me on the exact number, however, I do know that there was a lot) in and around the ear area were also doubled. This is a classic Class IV (offset hub doubling) doubled die that all the major experts in this field have agreed on concerning its true nature.

Yes, some people do disagree that this is a doubled die and in their defense, we can not truely say what happened at the Mint to cause this. However, with the collective experience that the experts bring to the table on this die, it is a fairly safe bet that they are right.

We are in a new age of discovery and it seems that as each week passes, a new doubled die or RPM is being found. With some of these finds, controversy will exists as to the exact cause and nature of what has been discovered. However, that is part of this great hobby, being able to share ideas, pictures and finds with others who are interested in such. With the advent of the internet and the introduction of the stereoscope at reasonible prices (now a fundemental tool for the error and variety collector) this whole process has speeded up to a rate where if I find something today, I can take a picture of it, download it into my PC and have it analyzed by ten individual sources by the end of the day. Try doing that ten years ago !!!!! And that is why I call it a new age of discovery.

Well anyway, keep searching, have fun doing it and find something great. You all have a good one.

WAVYSTEPS2003 aka BJ Neff

[GarryN]

Hey thanks for reminding me, Rollmeup. I saw that one rellaa was selling and once considered buying it. The high bidder "civilwartokenus" is Brett Palser, a civil war token specialist who was once partnered up with Rick Snow. He now is on his own. I contacted him and told him about the article and he was not aware of it. He was very appreciative for the information. I wonder what will happen there.

[GarryN]

The link for the coin sold by rellaa.. i told him about the determination that the "S" image was caused by die damage and his reaction was to "ban me" from bidding on his coins.

Here is the latest http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-D-S-LINCOLN-CENT-FS-034-1-NGC-MS64-RD_W0QQitemZ130001881330QQihZ003QQcategoryZ524QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[GarryN]

The buyer told me that Rellaa pulled the coin, but here it is again....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-D-S-D-S-FS-034-1-OMM-1-PCGS-MS63RD-LINCOLN-1c-NR_W0QQitemZ220001920929QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31373QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Bob P]

This individual is very aware of the coin being debunked. He is betting that others do not know and will continue to bid on them. He needs to recoup the money he already spent to either procure the coin in the first place, have it slabbed, etc. Could be another reason for selling it without a return policy. Notice how he makes sure that part of the auction is in BIG BRIGHTLY COLORED Letters.
As far as he banning you Garry...that's just more proof that he knows what is going on. You don't want to deal with an individual like that anyway.

[GarryN]

I agree Bob, he is usually over priced anyway and apparently has no integrity. I have one of these too and Im not whining about it. Thanks!

[errorfinder]

i'll be removing him from my sellers list.thanks for the 'heads up".note to self: be thankfull, be very thankfull...at one time; i offered one (of the now debunked) 1980D/S pennys up for sale; here on this site.i thought $75.00 was a 'fair' price.i'am so thankfull it did not sell...

[wavysteps2003]

NOW FOR THE BIG LAUGH ------ Take a look at this !!!!!!!

http://reviews.ebay.com/Tips-For-Buying-Coins-On-eBay-Know-Who-To-Trust-Avoid_W0QQugidZ10000000000825181?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:5
Tips For Buying Coin...

Very strange indeed.

WAVYSTEPS2003

[Bob P]

Talk about putting your foot DIRECTLY into your mouth and taking a big bite I never knew that existed BJ. I laughed so hard I almost had to go to the bathroom
He broke every rule he warned others of. Very Very funny!
I am surprised Roger's coins has taken this attitude. He has put a little caveat under the subject title saying that 'No Room The Title For The Word "FORMER" To Precede It!!" I believe that is his attempt to state that the die is not recognized any more. However, he made no attempt to place that in the description where it would have been more appropriate. As I stated before...he knows what's going on. I am very disappointed in his attempt to sell this coin like this...especially for 150 bucks.

[eagames]

Some disproven varieties still get a decent price. Look at the 71-p FS-030.7, the CPG says it's not a DDO yet still prices it at $75. People buy them because some folks want everything in the book. Some sellers call them doubled dies which is wrong but the foolish buyer won't ditinguish much between doubled date and doubled die even if it's stated in neon lights. Graders will attribute them but not say DDO they just put the FS number.

Even the "extra leaf" quarters are die gouges and still get a good price because it looks like a leaf.

I guess the sellers of FS-030.7 shouldn't say "doubled die" but I won't cry "crook" if they don't because they used the FS # which tells what it is. I have never seen sellers of extra leaf quarters state "this is just a die gouge not a variety" in their adds they always say it's an "extra high or low leaf variety". I guess the term "variety" can mean what you like, variety of gouge or variety of error or a distinc die. I see it used every way. There's a funny ebay faq that argues it's not a gouge!

The 22-P weak reverse is another, some folks say no weak reverses are true no Ds but even the best graders will or have labled them as plains with their own criteria.

The 80 d & s probably should be mentioned as disproven since the books don't say that YET but then all sellers might not even know it.

I'm sort of mixed on these, each one has it's own story and I get sick of crying people that bought a coin without knowing what it is then getting upset that their $100,000 69-s doubled date is worth just 1 cent. I find myself mad at sellers with misleading adds like strike doubled 69-s that give the doubled die price from price guides.

The solution is to know what you're buying.
If you own one that gets disproven it still can be sold, you might get less after it's disproven but be as straight as you can if you sell it or just keep it as an example of a coin with a story.

Don't list an add for a red vette and a deliver a red chevette.

Any thoughts?

[GarryN]

I had a conversation with this guy too and he has decided to carry on and has an interesting justification for soing so...


http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-D-S-LINCOLN-CENT-FS-034-1-NGC-MS64-RD_W0QQitemZ130001881330QQihZ003QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

See his comments right under the green frame.