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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:30 pm |
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Are you MAD? MAD is a term used to describe a coin that the obverse or reverse do not line up correctly. It is broken down to mean Miss-Aligned-Die. A coin I found yesterday in change. I've seen some of these before and they has seemed minor, but this one caught my attention.
Do you see any alignment problems with is coin. Note the Area from 12:00 to 5:00. See the missing rim on the edge. Then compare this with the reverse.
The alignment appears to be close to normal. So this coin has miss aligned dies. It may have been set incorrectly and then adjusted, or the position remained wrong and there be many of this type of error made with this die setup. I don't know the answer on which way it turned out. But noticed it going through my change. Anyone else spot any of this die setup, then we will know.
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:54 pm |
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Coop...I have found literally hundreds of misaligned dies over the years. Oddly enough, the majority of them have been relatively recent...like from 1995 to present. I have a mint bag of 1996P coins that has lots of them in it, and they are all the same die. I doubt that they would take the time to align it perfectly, even if they had discovered it during the QC. I have kept a few that are like yours....pretty obvious MADs.
This is a nice thread for those who may not know the difference between off centers and misaligned dies. Thanks for posting it here.
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carlbAdvanced Member
Posts: 166 Joined: 02 May 2005 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:34 pm |
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Very late to be answering this post but just in case you've got an album of Mercury Dimes that shows both sides you would have noticed that about 1/3 of them do not line up on the reverse if the obverse is lined up. May not be true in all cases but with the great majority of mine it's true. I've made one separate album of these just for a joke to show people with all coins missalined. This MAD situation is apparant in all denominations of coins that I've found but the least appearance of them is with the Jefferson Nickels. With Lincolns the alignment is only slightly off but with Merc Dimes some are as much as 90 degrees off.
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:20 pm |
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Carl: It seems that they happen so commonly only newbies only buy them. Just look interesting when you find them. Some never know they exist. Kind of like the minor rotated reverses of less than 15 degrees. Unless you put them into a 2X2 you never notice that you have one.
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:24 pm |
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Hi Carl,
Glad to see you taking such an active role in the forum. Concerning your Mercury Dimes with misaligned dies, I have seen a couple, but not to the numbers that you suggest. I either haven't been looking hard enough, or it wasn't to a degree where I thought about putting a few of them aside.
Although it is very true that these anomalies happen on all denominations, it seems that Lincoln cents are more numerous than others. In addition, the problem also seems more prevalent in more recent years (the last 15 or so). This can probably be attributed to the sheer numbers of cents minted versus any other. Either way, I think they are agreat conversation piece, and like I said in my last post, it does teach people the difference between off centers and MADs.
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smedSenior Member
Posts: 624 Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Zephyrhills Florida
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:56 pm |
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I've got an Ike struck by misaligned dies. Thought it was neat and stuck it in my exonumia binder.
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GarryNExpert Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:57 pm |
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:08 am |
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Smed....An Ike with misaligned dies is a pretty nice coin to hold on to. They are more uncommon than other denominations.
Garry....I don't know about you, but even a tilted partial collar shouldn't call for that sort of price. Then again, the hard core error collectors might be willing to pay that. I'll just look at the pictures.
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smedSenior Member
Posts: 624 Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Zephyrhills Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:32 pm |
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:33 pm |
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First MAD Ike I have ever seen. My Dad said he was MAD during WWII though My Dad was under Ike's command during the war, and to this day thinks he was one of the greatest Generals ever.
Nice coin smed...
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Matt DingerAdvanced Member
Posts: 138 Joined: 12 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:06 am |
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here is one I found at a recent coin show in a dealers off center box... The really dramatic MAD errors are tough to find..
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:43 pm |
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While searching through my last box of circulated Cents, A few caught my eye that I set aside, and one I call a Rail Road Rim.
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