Another teaser, 1984 DDO or MD teaser?

eagames · Expert Member

Wow we're all finding neat stuff to question and learn from.

How about this 1984 plain.
From looking at the date I thought 1DO-002 but it seems to have only slight notching on the bottom of LIBERTY and not the doubling on the hair and little or nothing on the base of the bust.

After hoping it's a different DDO Razz

I'm not certain but leaning to it not being a DDO. Crying or Very sad

just a teaser?

I took pics of the date plus areas relating to 1DO-002
I hope these feeble pics are good enough to get some thoughts

coop · Expert Member

Ed: Is that a notch on the end of the middle part of the 4?

Is that a die crack on the 9?

Looks wider than normal. Looks interesting.

eagames · Expert Member

Hi Coop,

Yes it has a notch on the base and middle of the 4 and it looks just like 1DO-002 (FS-038) and the 9 is wide and I think you're right it has a die crack or something that runs right along where it should have sepration up to the base, looks like seperation and crack.

This is why I was looking hard for the other things like the hair or bust to decide if it's a late state of 1DO-002 with some of the doubling polished of but if it is they polished most of it off.

This one is teasing me, I can't convince myself it's 1D0-002 but also not convinced it's only MD or MD with that crack??

coop · Expert Member

Ed: I agree that it not 002 and the doubled areas are usually South of the regular position. But it still looks interesting. Maybe Bob will help us out. It could be something as the letters/numbers appear wider than normal. Be interesting as this story develops.

eagames · Expert Member

Yea I hope Bob knows because I can't decide what it realy is.
I tried some pics with different lighting hoping they are less awful Laughing

coop · Expert Member

It might be a new listing. Depends on what Bob & Chuck see. But it looks promising to me.

Bob P · Site Admin

We do have some precedent for this type of doubling for 1984. From what I can see in the pics, it looks like a doubled die...one we don't have listed. As always, either Chuck or I will need to see it in hand for examination to be absolutely certain.

coppercoins · Site Admin

I am certain...it is indeed a doubled die. No question about it. It's also VERY scarce to rare. I have seen one of these before, but only one. I'd give it a value of $50 in BU.

eagames · Expert Member

This one is on the site now.
Thanks Bob! Pics look super!

My other similar one is a different variety, I thought they were a bit different too but could not believe finding 2 such similar ones. I see one like these on ebay, it was listed as FS-038 but I think it's one of these. I asked the seller to look and he agrees. So these are out there in the wild, go find em Very Happy

One interesting thing on the second one (1DO-004) is notice how on the motto TRUST the die has a big area that looks like (my description) erosion or die wear? I see this on many zinc cents and it often causes the motto to look wide on top. I always assume it's not doubling. On this coin the date was just to convincing as a DDO to toss it back. Has anyone else seen ones like that? what is it and how would you describe it?

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1984&die_id=1984p1do003&die_state=lds

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1984&die_id=1984p1do004&die_state=mds