what the heck happened here?

ldarrellc · Senior Member

to much time on someones hands?

Dick · Expert Member

I wondered where I left my cleaning rag!
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

It does look like a strike through a foriegn object, specifically a piece of cloth because of the pattern, however, pictures, because the lack depth perception, could give the wrong impression of what is being seen.

If it is what it seems to be, it is a very nice find.

WAVYSTEPS2003 aka BJ Neff

coop · Expert Member

Are the lines raised? Or are they sunk into the coin. I could see if they were sunk into the coin that someone took something like a razor blade knife and scratched them on to the surface. If they are raised..... They are too straight on the coin to conform to die scratches. die scratches would only show in the fields. The pattern is random and in order to make the lines if would have had to conform to the heights and lower portions of the die to make straight lines. Even then they wouldn't even be that straight to go right across the design. I'm thinking (If the scratches are raised) the coin may have been squashed with a piece of metal that had sever scratching on one disk, then squeezed with this coin to make the scratches show, but small enough to not touch the rims as they don't show contact there. So let me know if they are raised or scratched into the surface. If they are raised, someone did a little thinking to create this pattern on a normal coin. It they are scratched into the coin, they had a lot of fun wrecking it. INTERESTING Confused

ldarrellc · Senior Member

looks like raised lines to me yall be the judge

coop · Expert Member

Looks like the irregularity of Cheese cloth? But I just can't see how being struck through a foreign material would leave the straight lines. Interesting find. You might check with Fred Weinburg to see if he has any ideas? He may have seen this before. A first for me. Still don't know for sure. What does the reverse look like? Normal or distorted? If distorted I would go with the squeeze with another material that had scratches in it. If normal, it might be a strike through. Just don't know right now. Something to keep us posted on.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

This is definitely one for Fred to look at. Fred@fredweinberg.com. What I would do is send him the pictures that you took also. I would be interested to see what he says. By the way, Fred is a great guy and easy to talk with.

WAVYSTEPS2003 aka BJ Neff

Dick · Expert Member

Consider this: Darrel might just be pulling our legs! What if someone had some kind of mesh, small branches, etc, and took a photo thru that. Wouldn't it give the same impression?
Darrel, you wouldn't do us that way, would you? Or would you? Laughing

SOME TIME LATER:
Looking at the latest photos, with my Nvidia zoom viewer, I notice the coin has NO damage! The "Mesh" appears to have been very carefully placed on top of the coin. Gotcha DArrel!
THe question is: how did you do it, and what did you use? The larger squares are the same size as the letters in liberty, so it has to be very close knit. Like a kind of filter material. It is DEFINITELY not a struck thru. The light is visible on the coin surface, as well as on the mesh, itself. Nice job!

Dick

ldarrellc · Senior Member

I am sorry to disappoint you dick but I have had no doings with this coin this is the way I found it. here is a picture of the back of the coin. I swaer on my moms grave I found this. In fact I had found this coin a few month back and put it in my bowl of junk coins when I was just getting started didnt find it again till I started searching coins for errors for dick.

ldarrellc · Senior Member

I sent it to Fred so just waiting his answer if he answers.

smed · Senior Member

Definitely post-mint. Look at the continuation of the marks over the rim.

eagames · Expert Member

I noticed it went on the rim but not sure that alone means post mint. What do others think, couldn't something like cloth on the plan also show on the rim?

But the more confusing thing is if it was struck through cloth the pattern would be incuse but if it was scratches on the die they would stick out but not be on the rim.....

I'm baffled by it!

Only other thought is it might have been mesh or cloth that was glued on the coin and left glue or something behind. Did that look possible?

Are you sure the lines are not incuse?

ldarrellc · Senior Member

they are diffently raised lines I dont believe they was incosed or stamped in in any way. this has me more baffled then yall. should i try some more pics at an angle?

coop · Expert Member

Maybe an old flyswatter got clashed between the dies and left the marks on the die. But if that were the case, the reverse would have had them there also. And if that were the case there would be a lot more of them.....

Just another thought, the coin shows marks over the deeper part of the die also. So scrap this idea.

Keep guessing or wait till Fred looks at it.

eagames · Expert Member

I wonder.....

I have wondered how people strip plating off since I see ones that don't look like they used acid. I was thinking they might use heat or super hot water and cause the plating to bubble from some gas or something trying to come from under it. I'm wondering if this did not get touched by something very hot with that pattern and it lifted the plating in that pattern. Like if you had it in a car exhaust and some modern high perf catalytic converters have mesh like that that glows and burns away the unburned stuff in exhaust. If a coin was put in it might just hit that mesh and pattern that way.

I also have token coin from NY that's in a key chain in clear resin. Resin heats as it cures. That coin totaly bubbled so you can see a weird pattern in the copper. Abe has a wart face.... It might be a similar thing that did this.

I might do a test lol..... Wink