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murphySenior Member
Posts: 573 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: New Albany, Indiana USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:38 pm |
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Can see a little doubling in LIBERTY & IN GOD from this distance...
Upon closer examination the separation lines become evident ...on all letters & numbers! Check out the dramatic doubling inside the G. Is this class 1 doubling?
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JRoccoVeteran Member
Posts: 418 Joined: 08 Oct 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:24 pm |
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Holy crap-----there is nothing little about this monster...
Look at that rotational doubling WOW
Major big time find here Murph...Congrats
This one is a really big find.....
I gotta go back and drool over these pics some more now....
_________________ John
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:31 pm |
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WOW Murphy!!! Totally awesome!
It looks like a Class I rotated hub doubling. How in the world can a Class I come from a single-squeeze????
Whatever the answer -- that is super nice!!!! I really like the doubling on the letters of LIBERTY. But again, all of it is a knock out!!!
Congratulations!!!!!
Glad I stopped by the bank and got $100 circulated cent rolls to search this weekend.
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murphySenior Member
Posts: 573 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: New Albany, Indiana USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:00 pm |
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Thanks so much John and Billy! And Billy, good luck, hope you find a good one. Just remember where you saw it first though, lol. (no offense)
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:57 pm |
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I'm also hoping to find that 2006 cent strong totally separated earlobe and doubled beard.
Congrats again on a super find Murph!
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:10 am |
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And the plot thickens... No doubt about it Murph. It has all the earmarks of a class 1, but as Billy said, I don't know how that is possible. Whatever it is, it is a beautiful specimen and well worth inclusion on the site. Congrats on an exquisite find Murph.
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:42 am |
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Murph -- Now that I have had a chance to study your photos more closely, I have changed my mind and believe it's from a Class IV offset hub doubling. The doubling on the letter "Y" of LIBERTY is just as strong as on the letter "L". All of the letters of LIBERTY are just about a full letter bar spread.
On a Class I the doubling would decrease as one goes toward the center of the rotation point. However, with the "Y" pretty much the same strength of doubling as the letter "L" and looking also at the letter "E" of WE it's looking more like a Class IV type to me.
Another area to point out is the rim. I notice what looks like to me a separation line running along the inner rim in the motto photos. It has a tapering off affect on the rim at the "IN GOD" and "TRUST" photos. But, as we look at the "WE" photo I can see that separation line on the rim with a much wider shift. With a Class IV shift on a north/south axis movement that would explain the difference.
This to me has all the earmarks of a traditional multiple hubbing process and not a single-squeeze type.
Totally amazing find!
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:44 am |
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Multiple hubbing on this die? We all know that the single squeeze put an end to that!!!
HMMM - I think that someone suggested that it maybe one of the reasons why the Mint still has the slots on the hub, so that a second hubbing can, if needed, be accompished.
Well anyway Murph, I knew that it would not be long until your inquisitive eyes found something very worth of note. Please put me on the growing list of people to see this die; would like to include it in an article for ERRORSCOPE.
To wrap this up, great find Murph. It only goes to prove what is out there just waiting to be found.
BJ Neff
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EarwigVeteran Member
Posts: 287 Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:20 am |
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I read an article on the single squeeze process i will try and find the link and post it but it basically said that even though they try to single squeeze all working dies there are occasions that dies require another squeeze and that is determined by a inspection of the die maker. If he sees that the die has a weak impression he can put it in line for reprocessing which includes resqueezing or scraping at his discretion. They must be learning from the auto makers GM stamping plants are at 99 percent repair on all body panels made. Its cheaper to fix it then make a new die or even fix the die. And also they discussed die making on History Channel Modern Marvels on tuesday and mentioned inspectors sending dies back to the die room before heat treat. In my opinion there is only so much the die room could do with it resqueeze or deburr etc.
Eric
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eagamesExpert Member
Posts: 3013 Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:53 pm |
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Thats an amazing one. Maybe this explains why there are other 06-Ps that also have doubling that has seperation (not just extra wideness) on TY which seemed tough to explain with single squeeze, maybe they were not all as single sqeezed as we thought.
How can it be that nobody saw this one before now!
Murph, I hope you can wrangle up some more of these they are very nice
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GabeSenior Member
Posts: 691 Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:11 pm |
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OMG... what an amazing find!
Congratulations in finding one of the strongest modern lincoln cent doubled dies!
_________________ -Gabe
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:24 pm |
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Great find Murph. Hope you got a whole box of them. I would like one of those...
_________________ Richard S. Cooper
You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:50 pm |
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WOW
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:37 pm |
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Murph, I'll add my two cents, and make it 100%! That is NICE! Coop says he hopes you have a whole box of them, and he would like one of them! How many boxes of them did you say you found???? Just goes to prove a point, they "say" single squeeze, but how can we be sure? Let the press roll, er, mint!!!, (and keep the doubles coming)!
Dick
_________________ " Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before".
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murphySenior Member
Posts: 573 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: New Albany, Indiana USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:25 pm |
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Thanks y'all. Coop you're out of luck buddy, I only found the one and it was found in Fed wrapped rolls from the 8th Federal Reserve District (St. Louis). I've been getting new and used cents by the box from my favorite "lucky" bank. The 1999 Wide AM that I found several weeks ago was purchased there as was this coin, so they haven't let me down yet!
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