question regarding 1974 Lg/Sm dates
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aballeinVeteran Member
Posts: 201 Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Location: Hillsboro, OH
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:48 pm |
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So i read Chucks post from 4 years ago about how to distinguish Lg from Sm and i seen the reverse shots that coop did last year, but does anyone have some good obverse shots of the different characteristics of each...i need to see some pictures before i fully comprehend what i am looking for. Things like the rounded 7 and the wide 4..things of that nature. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone finds the time to post some pics. Thanks.
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:41 pm |
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I'll rebuild the web page on that when I get back from Charlotte next weekend. Not sure exactly where it is on the server at the moment.
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:44 am |
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Here is an example of the thread memtion a few months back as to tell on the reverse of the 1974 coin which one is which:
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coop wrote:
Something I noticed on the reverse of the 1974 Large Dates was the details on the statue is different. One has a very weak detail Statue and the other one has a double line on the base under the statue.
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The reverse with the doubled line on the upper base is the Large Date. The ones with the weaker Statue without the doubled lines are the small date reverses. Usually they run this way, but have found some that contradict this, just few. They may have been tranisional ones.
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Coppercoins said:
The large and small date 1974 cents are distributed in approximately equal numbers as it seems, none of them are particularly difficult to find. That coupled with the fact that they are rather difficult to detect for a novice made them wane in value - no real premium value for any of them, and difficult to spot. I can help with that, though...
The motto (IN GOD WE TRUST) is much closer to the rim on the large date than on the small date.
The top of the "4" in the date is wider on the large date than on the small date.
The large date "9" has a rounded inside end and the small date has a squared-off inside end.
The top right corner of the "7" in the date is rounded and flat on the large date and is sharp and raised on the small date.
There are other differences, some of them significant, but most are not going to be apparent unless you have one of each to compare.
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OK, lets see if this helps?
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aballeinVeteran Member
Posts: 201 Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Location: Hillsboro, OH
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:57 pm |
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thanks a million Coop..it really stands out after you see some pictures of it. The reverse on all of my 1974 coins are too worn or weakly struck to see the podium, im just trying to complete a Lg/Sm date set.
_________________ Aaron
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:41 pm |
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Aaron, hi!
There are several things I would suggest: Get screen capture. I use American Systems "Print Screen Deluxe". All overlays, date size photos, (like Coops), die clash, etc, I print, for reference. It is crude, but works for me.
Read the old posts, as you have done. Anything that you can use in place of a photo, or the best "coin in hand", Or in this, like several others, have both coins in hand.
I have had coins sent to me with "wavy-steps", and still didn't know what I was looking AT, or FOR! (I do now). We "Newbies" have a whole new world in fromt of us, and in many cases, we just don't know what the devil they are talking about! Don't let the numbers fool you. Mine indicate I am "lurking" at all hours, and will comment on all, or anything I see, that interests me. I know it doesn't have to be that way, but "What can I say"? I learn things that way, especially when I dion't have the right answer, but think I may, and then read what I should have known! You will find the "Experts", in their own field, as you go along. THis is a learning place, and I believe, the BEST!
Dick
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Copper_CrazyMember
Posts: 78 Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:25 pm |
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What about the S mints in circulated and proof for this year? I believe I sent a large date proof to Chuck which I though might be C6 doubling before I knew about this. Steve
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:06 am |
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Aaron - sent you an E-mail concerning this post.
BJ Neff
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:21 pm |
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All of the proofs are large date - at least there hasn't been a small date in front of me since I knew the difference, and that's probably many hundreds of 1974S proof cents. I got this information from Ken Potter about six years ago when I saw in the Wexler book on doubled dies that the 1974 doubled dies listed therein were "type 2" obverses. I asked and got the answer from Ken. Evidently they were discovered as being two different obverse types in 1980 and never picked up much collector interest because neither were scarce and the difference can be difficult to detect.
I still plan to eventually do a study to see if any of the six different issues are scarce.
Note also that there are two different types of mintmarks on 1974S cents. There is the S used from 1969 through 1974 and the 1974-1979 type. So far I have found each of the different types of 1974 cents to carry the same mintmark type across the board. The large date uses the earlier mintmark type and the small date uses the later mintmark type. All the proofs have large date and the later mintmark type.
Another thing about 1974S proof cents...I have seen a few minor north spread RPMs on 1974S proof cents. CONECA has the official stance on this that these are the result of punch damage, but I disagree.
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