1908 MPD in denticles

eagames · Expert Member

I'm thinking this is a MPD in the denticles, maybe 908? Is it a listed MPD? Confused

eagames · Expert Member

Any ideas? Confused

KurtS · Senior Member

Ed,
I would agree--definitely an MPD. Very Happy

I think I see 3 digits too.
However, I don't see an exact one listed in Rick's guide.
If it's a new one, you could send it to Rick Snow and for $4 get credit for a discovery coin.

eagames · Expert Member

I'll just call it MPD-XXX for now Wink

If I ever have some stuff for Rick I'll send it along.

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, I believe I see a ONE in the denticles, as well. Thought you might be intereested. Wink

Nice find!
Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Kurt, I think I am going to put all my IOHC in somthing that will allow boilimng-point temps, withour the risk of the flame temps thru a pot. Double boiler indicated. I want to see what MIGHT be under all that crud!
Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

Dick, wow they must be crusty coins! You could also soak in denatured alcohol overnight and carefully remove dirt from around the dates with a toothpick. Of course, that's not exactly an easy thing to do for a lot of coins! Good luck!

Dick · Expert Member

Kurt, I just went thru my warehouse, and find Mineral oil, inrestinal lubricant, 100% pure Acetone, Fingernail-polish remiover, and Goo-Gone. I huess we drank the alchol, as there is none around. Paint thinner, mineral spirits, and a nice wire-brush. Which would you prefer? Shocked

I believe all the large cents I have are 1901, '03, and 09-1920. There may be more, but I don't recall, off-hand. I will look, just to see what I do jhave, and put all the CAN's together. It's a mess, right now! Too many changes to the area!
Dick

GarryN · Expert Member

I see the marks in the denticles, and I have The Rick Snow book that talks about the 1900-1908 coins and all the varieties. I just wonder if someone is taking some license assuming all these markings are misplaced digits. Doesnt it seem a bit over the top?

Dick · Expert Member

Gerryn, How does it check with the site, (indiancent.com)? They mention an awful lot of them.
Dick

GarryN · Expert Member

The site does not include photos of the 1908 varieties yet. I will have to check the book. Kurt said he looked already and did not see a match. I am just saying that I just find it incredible that all these are MPD's and not just hits or scratches in the die.

eagames · Expert Member

The cause may be the fixtures they used to punch the dates.

In a way I agree it's a bit of a stretch but since the "experts" agree on them after studying the fixturing used and high grade coins which show more details makes me accept their findings. Still some might be wrong and like some OMMS might someday be proven wrong but I think most are what they deemed them to be.

Wink

eagames · Expert Member

Food for thought:

They used a fixture that allowed punching 3 or 4 of the digits together.
(is this is a known fact?)

Theory:
The fixture has an opening but blocks them from seeing what's going on after they align it. If they aligned it wrong it puts the date below.

The MPDs often have 3 or 4 digits or the alignment shows why some of the digits were out of sight. The tops seen do match the digit tops, the 1907 has a 7 with the right curves (can see best in hand not pics)

Has anyone seen similar marks in denticles not below the date?
(I haven't)

If they saw them was it groups of them spaced like a date top?

Smile

It would be neat if someone had info about the fixtures used!

Dick · Expert Member

I have never seen one iof the "Punches", or a picture of one, but I understand they used a gang, (three digits, and added the final digit). I can see the last digit being up-side down, ir even the gang opunch, but looking at the phoyo involved, I wondered if the original ounch was not in line with the "proper position", to start with. Notice the area below the star. It looks like something is not "kosher" there. Just previewed this, and realized it is about another post, involving the 1881/1881. I forgot where it was. Shocked

Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, I don't recall if I had the new updated guides when this thread ws on-going, or not, but later reviewing looks like it might be S-20, 908 in denticles. yhe positioning is the same as your photo. check the REV to see if the shield is connected to the rim, and the olive leaf is away from the denticles.
{the top of the m"8" isplaced digit extends slightly into the field. The digits under the 9, and 0, are mere die lines. This seems to be scarce. {15}}.
I hope this helps.
Dick