1884 IHC DDO

grnwavdav · Member

Hi Everyone, I'm new to this forum. I have a few things to post here but I'll start with this one. I think I have a 1884 IHC DDO. Tell me what you think.

eagames · Expert Member

Welcome aboard!
I'm sure you'll get some answers. Smile

Yes it does have doubling on it. The top right of the E in your third pic has an extra tip with separation. It's not Longacre doubling, I think it may be a DDO. I'm not 100% sure.

It's not one that's in the Cherry Pickers guide.

Let's see what others think.

Dick · Expert Member

Welcome aboard, grnwavdav. i won't comment on the doubling.
Kurt, what do you think?
Dick

MorgansRmine · Advanced Member

All I'm seeing is machine doubling. I hate it though when I look at a picture and get that optical illusion of the letters being incuse. Where are ya Kurt ?

hasfam · Veteran Member

Hi grnwavdav, welcome to the forum. I agree, it's tough when the pics show the letters incused like that and although it shows the flat shelf like doubling typical of MD, it does appear to show a split in the E and a slight split in the upper part of the T. I'm leaning more towards mechanical though. Interesting to say the least.
Rock

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Hi and welcome to this great forum.

It does not appear to be Longacre's doubling, however, I do not believe it to be a doubled die either. Like those before me, machine doubling seems to be the likely cause for what we are seeing.

BJ Neff

coop · Expert Member

Looks Like Longacre doubling. I thought only I had a problem with the third image looking incuse?

eagames · Expert Member

Notice on the Longacre doubling that it's on both sides but this coin only is on one side. It's that split E on the 3rd image that's hard to explain as MD because it has a split on the corner.

Still tough to say for sure since that's the only area that shows it with a split.

Smile

grnwavdav · Member

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

That may not be a split on the E, but the area in question may be covered bu corrosion.

BJ Neff

eagames · Expert Member

Dick · Expert Member

I tend to agree on the Longacre Doubling. I have several IHC's that show the same anomilys.
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

Dick, It could be Longacre if because of polishing or die wear it was removed from one edge but not the other edge and the split was from corrosion.

KurtS · Senior Member

Great picture of Longacre doubling—the outlined quality of the devices is a good way to tell, versus a distinct directional offset and serif separation seen on most IHC doubled dies, such as the 1887 Snow-1 DDO (apologies for the huge pic, but it's a good example) Very Happy

On your 1884, I do think I see Longacre doubling on the U in UNITED, and perhaps traces elsewhere? Regarding the apparent split on the E, I'd like to see serif separation elsewhere for confirmation as seen on the 1887. Like BJ Neff noted, it could easily be dirt/verdigris. And, the way the top and bottom serifs of the E connect reminds me of LD. Admittedly, once I rule out a doubled die on IHCs, I don't look further or try to explain the cause--I agree with the consensus. FYI, Rick Snow hasn't documented a DDO for 1884, but you could always send to him to get his take.

Dick · Expert Member

Ed, with the picture Kurt , and Coop, have posted, I see, (pun inteneded), where I am going to have to review my IHC's! I thiufht it was all corrosion,but they are not all that bad. Beautiful picture. THAT one I can see well enough to appreciate! Thanks, Kurt, and also Coop foor the educational photo. Thanks to you, Ed, for the reminder!
Dick