1982 Double Die Reverse?

Hunter09 · Member

Hello everyone, this is my first post and I am enjoying this site. There is definately alot of knowledge to gain here, which leads me to my first question. I found this cent the other day and it seems to fit the profile for the 1982 DD Reverse. Although I have been told it may also be machine doubling. I apologize for the picture but it is all the better I can do. The doubling shows best in the ED of United, the A, first T and second S of States, the right side of the memorial and on the T in Cent. I researched the similiar one on this site and am still unsure. What do you think? Thanks for looking

eagames · Expert Member

Welcome aboard!

I see what you're looking at on the T and building corner and also on the A and S of states and ICA of america.

It's probably MD.

A good clue to go by is if it was a doubled die the letters with it will be normal width plus the added area. On MD the normal design/letter size will be slightly reduced since the MD takes from it to make the shelf.

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coop · Expert Member

Welcome to coppercoins. I'll hang out the welcome sign for you!

I have to agree with Ed. When you find one you don't even question it. It just leaps out at you.

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Dick · Expert Member

Welcome to the site!
The difference in the MD, and DDR/DDO, is the "how" it is done. The DDR/DDO is done by the HUB. there ios more to that process, but I'll leave well enough alone! While the MD is done by the die, no matter which one. The fact it is a "hair out of position", when the strike is made, will cause a slight shift, and this produces the "shelf". I hope this is right, this time. if not, I'm sure I'll hear about it! Wink

Dick

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coop · Expert Member

I save only the extreme one for educational purpose and roll up the rest with circulated coin to go back to work. Basically no.

eagames · Expert Member

Same here, I only save them if they're neat for explaining to others but for the most part I don't keep them.

Like Dick said, MD is caused when the coin is struck and it's unique to that coin. The same die can make a normal coin. It's from a normal die bouncing and hitting again but a hair off.

On doubled dies it's caused when they made the die so every coin from that die will have it the same. The doubled die can't make a normal coin.

This 1943 is a good one for showing some MD characteristics. Notice how on the 9 you can see where it gets narrow where the MD took metal from the normal shape to make a shelf. Then on the 1 you can see exactly what a shelf means, it's like a shelf smashed onto the normal shape.

Also note that real doubles dies can be very minor and MD can be very big. It's not a case of severity it's from a different cause.

coop · Expert Member

Now compare the machine doubled coin with a real doubled die. There is an image of a normal coin and a doubled die on a 1982 Cent Obverse:

On a doubled die reverse for the next year you can see how the die is doubled making two sets of devices on the letters. Sorry I don't have a normal and doubled die set of images for this coin. (But I may go that route someday?)

Hunter09 · Member

Thanks guys this really helps alot with understanding the difference. Well I guess I'm off to find a real double die Very Happy

, thanks again Exclamation