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 KurtSSenior Member
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In preparation for a show, I'm looking through my world varieties, and I remembered I have this coin. A while back, it was confirmed by BJ Neff to be a trail dies (1869(URU)-4(cen)DEO-001T 180°), the earliest known at the time?  I believe the coin was struck at the Birmingham mint, which produced coinage for many countries. It's possible there are others out there--or even earlier trail dies.
Again, thanks to BJ Neff for the attribution. Has anyone found an earlier trail dies? It could be in your collection and you don't know it yet. 
Detail showing the trails
The coin is also a class V doubled die!
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 kenSenior Member
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Location: Phila.,Pa.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:00 am |
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Very nice.Trail dies from the 1800's???? Who'd of known???
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 jfines69Member
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That is an awesome looking coin... Someone needs to find an old roman coin that has trails... It would be hard to beat that... LOL!!!
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:37 am |
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That would be a neat coin to have encapsulated by ICG. Not only is it a trail die, but a ncie doubled die as well.
BJ Neff
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KurtSSenior Member
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:03 am |
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I've looked at many 1869 4c, and haven't seen another example--yet.
The doubled date is interesting too--the date must have been on the hub? But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling.
It would be great sometime to get this slabbed--when business is better. Thanks all!
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 eagamesExpert Member
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:09 pm |
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| the date must have been on the hub? Confused But, the two marks on either side of the date show no doubling. |
Very strange! I'd like to know how and why it could be this way.
Do you know if this design was used for any other years? If coins from other dies have the star and other thing in the same location or they move on different dies? (were those punched like mintmarks?)
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:12 pm |
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Yes, the stars were probably added like MM. Even on early U. S. coins some design elements were not hubbed into the master die but added later.
BJ Neff
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eagamesExpert Member
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:52 pm |
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Interesting!
We'll have to look out for some RPSs re-punched stars 
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