Anyone have experience with this 1956-D 1c DMM-1.

[Danester]

Anyone have experience with this 1956-D 1c DMM-1. I see that it is not cataloged on this site. The image below is from Wexler's web site http://www.doubleddie.com/58243.html.

Last week I went through five (5) bank wrapped rolls of 1956-D MS Lincoln Cents. I've had these rolls for over 7-years and just now opened them.



I found 2 DDO "eyelid" die varieties, but more important I thought, was finding two examples (MS66, and MS66+) of this 1956-D DMM-1. At first I thought I had come across something new and unlisted, seeing only the lower portion that looked like a micro "D". However, now I can see the upper remant of the "S" as shown on Wexler's image. The idea that it is a "S", makes more since than it being a micro "D".

Wexler states "1956 was a great year for mint mark varieties. This 1956-D Lincoln cent shows an S mint mark punched between the lower 1 and 9 of the date. All of the major die variety attributers except for CONECA have listed this one as a Dual Mint Mark (DMM) variety. CONECA's attributer does not believe that the image between the lower 1 and 9 represents an S mint mark punch. You be the judge. It is listed in the Wexler Files as 1956-D 1¢ WDMM-001".

Maybe Mike Diamond can weigh-in on CONECA's side of the story on this one?



With my scanner I can’t play with lighting to get the best image. I can only play with the brightness, contrast and color hue after it is scanned. With a Loupe I can see the ghost “S” nicely. If I had a good microscope/camera set-up I do much better. The images below are scans of one of my coins.





The Danester

[doubledguy]

Hello,

This variety is listed on the Coppercoins website as 1956D-1OM-001. It is also listed by Crawford as CDMM-001. Ken Potter lists it in his Variety Coin Register. It will be in the next edition of The Cherrypickers' Guide listed as FS-01-1956D-511. It is in my files as WDMM-001. As you note, CONECA is the only one of the major variety attributers that does not recognize the variety.

John A. Wexler

[Danester]

John, it's good to hear this Die Variety has a Cherrypickers FS # (FS-01-1956D-511), now I will be able to get these two PCGS certified.

I still can't find it on coppercoins. I'm sure I am just not seeing an OMM link or something. I went to date guide 1956-D 1MM and looked through 5-pages, and I do not see it there.

I need a point in the right direction.

[Danester]

To further the discussion, I notice there are two examples of this die variety now listed on eBay.

One is raw and identified as John indicated -- 1956D-1OM-001, FS-01-1956D-511 (or WDMM-1).
http://cgi.ebay.com/1956-D-and-S-1956D-1OM-001-seperate-D-S-rare-FS-511-/390307274175?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item5ae0205dbf

The other is certifiied by PCI {signed by JT Stanton}, but attributed as OMM #2 (on as holder WOMM-2)
http://cgi.ebay.com/1956-D-S-Lincoln-OMM-2-Gem-Uncirculated-Gorgeous-Red-/330478394907?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4cf20c1e1b

It's the same die variety - "what-up".

[doubledguy]

To find it on the Coppercoins site, click on "die variety search" in the upper left corner of the page. Under "Date" enter 1956. Under "Mint" check Denver, and under "Variety Type" check off "Mint Mark Variety." Then click on "Submit Search." You will find it on the 3rd page of 1956-D listings.

The Ebay listings are both correct. Before this was listed as WDMM-001 in the Wexler Files it was first listed as WOMM-002. Once I decided to join Potter and Crawford in using the DMM designation, I relisted it in my files as WDMM-001.

Once you find the listing on the coppercoins site, the WOMM-001 listing can be found directly under it

John

[Danester]

OK, I found the listing for 1956D-1OM-001. The die indentication markers indicate I have two EDS examples. One looks to be a really nice MS66+.

Thank for the help.

The Danester

[coppercoins]

Back when I coded this website, I simply considered ALL mintmark varieties as such, and grouped them when listing them out on the site - so since O comes after M in the alphabet, all the OMMs list last for their respective date under the RPMs.

Once I have a chance to work on the interface of the website again, I intend on making it a LOT more intuitive. I have known a number of people over the past few years who had trouble finding the OMM listings here. That tells me that while it makes perfect sense to me, it doesn't to a lot of other people. I need to change how I think it through.

Also located on this site are:

1911D-1OM-001
1944D-1OM-001
1944D-1OM-002
1946S-1OM-001
1951D-1OM-001
1951D-1OM-002
1952D-1OM-001
1956D-1OM-002

and

1980D-1OM-001X

The X means it has been de-listed but remains so people can find that it has been de-listed. That's easier than just removing it and fielding the questions regarding why it's not there.

[wavysteps2003]

As we all know John, it is not the whole of CONECA that does not recognize this variety, it is just one person and to that end the control force behind that organizations master variety lists.

You, Billy, J.T., Chuck and Ken are or at one time have been members of CONECA and you all have listed this die as a variety. However, just one person in that organization says it isn't correct and that is the final word? Just one of the many things that is not exactly kosher with CONECA.

BJ Neff

[Danester]

PCGS uses a 2 out of 3 consensus...... why not CONECA?

The Danester

[GarryN]

I have two of those coins. I recall when the coin went thru a phase where it was in danger of being debunked. The 56-D has some of the best varieties.

[coop]

Here it is on coppercoins:
http://www.coppercoins.com/diesearch.php?date=1956&date1=1956&thismint=ds&thistype=mmom&page=2
Seems like the price has dipped a lot?

[eagames]

Yes, it seems that OMMs that get questioned drop in price.
(even though most agree on this one)

I remember the 80 D/S took a big hit when some experts decided it wasn't a D/S.

Even the OMMs from 51 and 52 seemed to drop and more of them started showing up on ebay in the last couple of years. Some people must have got lucky searching UNC rolls for them.

The OMMs that stay high are the 44-D/S and 46 S/D.

[GarryN]

[eagames]

I still like some delisted ones. They make good conversation.
Also some of them can still be attributed by the TPGs.
They can still put the CPG number, they just won't say OMM.