1969s proof DDO

cdh66 · New Member

Hi, I'm new to the forum section of this site & hope this message goes through ok.
I have removed the coins from a cracked 69 proof set and discovered my penny has moderate doubling on the entire motto, slight doubling on the date & mintmark and no doubling at all on liberty. I can find info on the business strikes but none on the proof cent. Any help would be great.

Robert · Senior Member

Chuck or Bob or some of the other posters are the real experts, but in my opinion that sounds like a Class V (five) pivoted hub doubling. I assume you're familiar w/ hubbing. Let's say the die is hubbed once. Then, select a point along the rim and slightly rotate the hub or the die such that the hub and the die don't move at that point (sort of like a perpendicular axis running throught he surface of the coin), but they do move relative to each other far away from that axis. At the point you chose, there would be no doubling but as you move further away from that point, the doubling is more pronounced. The point directly opposite the point you selected would show the most doubling.

On your coin, the point which was the pivot axis would be near/below "LIBERTY" and the area opposite this (IN GOD WE TRUST) would show the most doubling.

I could be wrong.

I hope this helps.

cdh66 · New Member

Many thanks for your reply.
I looked at the coin a bit closer and found the slightest seperation in the LIB of LIBERTY. I knew this was not a class 1 die but after that I know very little, as I am just starting to purchase rolls & sets for error & variety hunting. I have found many business class rpm's, ddo's, ddr's, etc..... But this is my first proof. Are the proof coins less common as they are more carefully made at the mint? Or have more Value?

I did notice one thing in my new coin intrest, My back & eyes are a bit more strained.

pennyhound · Veteran Member

Welcome and those eyes and back are just the start ... hehehehe ... would it be posssible for you to post a picture of your coin???

coppercoins · Site Admin

1969 is very prolific year for machine doubling, and in many cases it has nearly fooled me as hub doubling. The important thing to look for is notching at the corners of the letters. If there is no notching, it's machine doubling.

To date I have seen thousands of 1969S proof cents, and have seen hundreds of cases of machine doubling. I have yet to see a doubled die on a 1969S proof cent.

Bob P · Site Admin

I think the first hint that it's probably machine doubling is that he states there is slight doubling on the date AND mintmark. I think there is only one proof doubled die, but it is a 69S DDR. Have never seen or heard of a double die obverse for the date.

CDH66....As far as proof doubled dies...there are many, and they tend to get more numerous on the 1960-1964 date range. They aren't near as numerous as business strikes, but they are out there. They can tend to be more pricey because they are proofs, but more minor doubled dies...even on a proof, do not command hefty premiums.

Robert · Senior Member

That's why I defer to the experts.

cdh66 · New Member

First off, I would like to thank everyone for the welcome & all the friendly replys.
I got out a few of my 72 p ( later die stage ) DDO's and seen the mistake's I made on the 69s proof. It is machine doubling.
Being new to the variety/error part of this great hobby I sometimes "jump the gun" on things. I've had a lot of fun so far & hope to continue learning & talking with you here on this site.
I have used this site countless times for refrence in my finds.
I'm sure I will have some more questions down the road.

Thanks again to everybody!
Charles Hartberger
Shawnee,OH

Bob P · Site Admin

Any time Charles. That's why we are here! If the fine folks who frequent this forum can't answer your question(s)...it probably doesn't have an answer. Be sure to check into the forum often. Even us so called 'experts' learn something new from each other occasionally. We are glad you're here, and hope we can be of further assistance.